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[–] 14 points 3 months ago (28 children)

Interested foreign language guy question:
Is this a correct use of the word "literally"?

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    I don't think it's technically correct, but that word has been mangled so badly at this point that I would say the way it's used here counts as common usage.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks! Got me confused when reading the whole post but then I guessed something like what you just said already.
    Just wanted to have some confirmation.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    "foreign language guy"

    speaks better English than most native English speakers

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Speaks better English English closer to an arbitrary standard than most native English speakers

    That's what usually happens when you focus on learning the "standard" in isolation instead of being exposed to stigmatized non-"standard" dialects as a child as you acquire your mother tongue.

    Happens with literally every language, not just English.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    It's not mangled, it's just used as a hyperbole. When you say someone is tall as a mountain you're not mangling the word "mountain" in doing so.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    When you say someone is literally as tall as a mountain, that literally means that they would be at least 2,000 feet tall.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Yes. In that case it's not used as a hyperbole.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Right, so "literally" indicates that the statement is not a hyperbole.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Not always. When I say my head literally exploded, the word "literally" absolutely is a hyperbole.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    That defeats the purpose of the word. It makes it mean literally nothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    That's not how language works.

    Also, it's funny how people always get their panties in a twist about "literally", but never other autoantonyms like "cleave" or "sanction".

    It's almost as if context does allow language to keep working when autoantonyms exist, and the prescriptivists' snobbery and "concern" for the "purity" of the language is really just an excuse to lord their own adherence to an outdated and arbitrary set of rules over their interlocutors.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Your other two examples you can get from context.

    The purpose of "literally" is to define the context. It can't be used figuratively and retain any meaning.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    It can’t be used figuratively and retain any meaning.

    It literally can, because context doesn't come from words alone. This is the danger of only considering semantics without also considering pragmatics. Context can come from words, but it can also come from situations, body language, italics in writing, anywhere humans can discern meaning. Putting "literally" before a situation that you know from your world knowledge cannot possibly be true literally provides the context for interpreting "literally" as "figuratively".

    Check out the Gricean Maxims for more about this, specifically the "flouting maxims" section. Basically, if a person says something that doesn't appear to be truthful under the most immediately apparent meaning, speakers automatically search for a context under which that interpretation becomes sensical. This is how hyperbole, irony, sarcasm, basically all uses of language that require interpretation beyond surface-level semantics, works.

    In short, using "literally" this way is literally the same thing as telling your clumsy friend that their gracefulness is impressive after they slip and fall.


    Also, "literally" has been used this way in English since at least the 1700s, by writers like Fitzgerald, Joyce, Bronte, and Dickens, to name a few, and it's in literally all major dictionaries (not that that should matter, but you seem the type that would be important to).

    Most importantly, though, people use it productively in fluent speech, which is literally the only reasonable (and objective) measurement of what is and is not grammatical for a given speaker.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    There's literally no difference in the usage.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Context is the difference. If you're one of the people who can't understand hyperbole and saracsm and such, you'll just have to take my word for it I guess.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If you’re one of the people who can’t understand hyperbole and saracsm and such

    I understand it just fine.

    The problem is that the word "literally" is supposed to mean "without hyperbole or sarcasm". So when you use it to emphasize hyperbole or sarcasm, you're making the word meaningless.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    the word “literally” is supposed to mean “without hyperbole or sarcasm”

    According to what objective standard? Good luck finding one outside of maaaybe special-use technical jargon. Here's the literal dictionary's take on it, if you'd prefer to go that direction with the conversation.

    Words mean what their speakers fluently use them to mean - anything else is just linguistic snobbery masquerading as concern.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    yeah. it maybe looks like it isn't because because he's not literally looking at books but "judge a book by its cover" is an idiom so i'd say this is a correct literally rather than the shitty 2010s literally that means figuratively.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah both of those uses are fine in English. The first usage is "more" correct I would say. Literally is supposed to be used to basically say that the thing is actually happening. The second usage is also common at least in American English. Usually it's used with common figures of speech. "I was literally judging books by their cover." Technically he wasn't, he was judging people. Some people will be pedantic and call you out for that. So if you're taking an English class I'd avoid that usage but it's really common to hear it used that way. "I would literally die." It strengthens the phrase.

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