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[-] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 14 points 3 days ago

Hot take: Everyone should accept that English is the common language, and only speaking one language is a setback.

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Only if you accept that English is a garbage language and reform it so the rest of the world has to learn a sensible language instead of the clusterfuck that is english.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

all languages are clusterfucks, have you seen japanese?

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Doesn't make it an excuse.

If you want a language to be used universally, it must not be a clusterfuck.

If it is a clusterfuck, it's easier to make excuses to not adopt the language. So it will fail in becoming a universal language.

"Why would I learn English to communicate with you? You should learn Spanish to communicate with me! Since English has X and Y issues that Spanish doesn't have".

[-] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 3 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure if the language is good or bad. If it's the most spoken currently, it seems like it's a shoe in for our DnD common language, though. No favoritism, just using stats to decide.

[-] petersr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

What's your proposal?

My thought is: Everyone can speak English, but spelling is just terrible. Make it phonetically consistent. Easiest transition, but of course you are still stuck with... English (words, grammar, quirks).

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I actually have a proposal for my own language (spanish). It's written in a jokingly manner, but here it is: https://github.com/Calcoph/espa-ol-dos

The good thing about Spanish is that if you know the rules, you know how to pronounce a word when you see it written. However, if you hear it, it is ambiguous as to how it is written. So my proposal for spanish makes each letter have 1 sound and 1 sound only. And each sound is represented by a single letter.

A similar thing to that would already massively improve English. And that's just changing how the words are written, without changing the grammar at all.

Notice how that changes the easiest part of the language to change. You don't need to change grammar, or words used, or pronunciation.

Just having the sounds and the text be consistent with each other makes the language massively easier to learn. In addition, you wouldn't have one different way to pronounce each word per town in England. So even if you learned English from a texan, you would still be able to communicate perfectly with a Liverpool Englishman.

Even if local accents form, everyone would know how to fall back to the "correct" pronunciation if they see they're talking to a foreigner and are having trouble communicating.

Of course, all other aspects of English are a clusterfuck too, but you gotta start somewhere. And I think it's best to start with the high impact low hanging fruit.

EDIT: I just noticed I didn't completely read your comment. My proposal is basically the same.

[-] habitualcynic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I had a great chuckle at your GitHub, must have taken a while! You have my vote. Gracias por compartir!

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

I agree but i think we also need to accept that the majority of humans live in asia and should have their own influence on the language, rather than trying to keep it from changing by associating it to specific countries where it's native.

If "international english" turns into a creole of basically every major language, and everyone makes an effort to learn or at least become familiar with languages unrelated to their native one; then it becomes vastly more fair and useful as a lingua franca.

[-] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Pardon my wall of text:

I'm blowing smoke on this topic based on dnd terms. Common tongue is English because more people speak that already. Whatever people do to it after, they do to it after, but English as a starting point removes the need for more people to learn Esperanto or whatever other language wants to be "common."

In the fantasy I've created in my head/my hot take: it would be easier if people shifted to English as common, and had "secondary" languages based on their location.

(In the real world, even sign language isn't universal. Certain languages like German apparently also do better for certain things like written law. I realize it's silly to expect our species to choose a common language based on numbers alone. I think more people speak English specifically because English speaking countries hold more sway on international economics/warfare (for now), and other countries have responded in kind.)

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

In my setting I use Esperanto as an ancient common tongue and English as a modern one. That's because it's ridiculously easy to construct false etymologies to explain various features of the English language if you use Esperanto as a base.

Esperanto words also have somewhat guessable meanings if you know your Latin and Greek roots, even though the text is not comprehensible generally. So players can have hints at the meaning of a text without knowing what it really says.

When I need to obscure the meaning more, I mix up the words in a sentence. Because Esperanto has an accusative case, you can mix up the sentence order without loss of meaning. But it makes the sentence harder to read and obscures the relationship between the words.

Also, it sounds like an incomprehensible but distinctly European language when spoken. Players tell me it sounds like Spanish.

[-] janus2@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago

also hot take: US schools should teach 100โ€“300 most common kanji (their meanings and pronunciations in Mandarin) if nothing else to dispel the myth that logograms are "too hard to learn" for English speakers

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If it's Mandarin, they're hanzi, kanji is specifically Japanese ๐Ÿ˜

In 3 months, you could learn 300 at 5 per school day. That's not even too crazy.

[-] janus2@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

TIL what kanji are called in Mandarin (I'm a weeb and have only studied Japanese haha)

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Hah, same for the most part. I have a lot of Chinese friends though, so have learned a tiny bit about Mandarin.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

I'd love to split off a timeline where we just teach the basics of as many languages and scripts to kids as possible, it'd be a great experiment

[-] janus2@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

knowing gen Z they'd probably invent a 300+ language pidgin comprised almost entirely of memes which would be impossible for the rest of us to learn. it'd be glorious

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Yeah, as fucky as English is, as hard as it can be to learn, it's currently the lingua franca ;)

Plus, because it's a language that loves borrowing words and phrases, it's already set up with an ease of integration to a limited extent.

At this point, any effort to displace it as the default is going to cause as much trouble and hassle as it's place as the default does.

That being said, a language like Esperanto would be a better choice overall. It's kinda like how Latin can serve as a neutral and fixed language because it's dead. Esperanto isn't dead, but it's similarly fixed, and not tied to a single culture, so it would work. Then again, so would Latin

[-] gnutrino@programming.dev 11 points 3 days ago

Esperanto isn't dead

Only because it was never alive to begin with

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Lmmfao! Yeah, it never even had a chance, unfortunately

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