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[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

I await the opinions of eastern europeans that actually live with them daily, that would be real information

[-] Mpatch@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

There literally was a post about Romani like a month ago full of Europeans. The had nothing good to say. And knowing a few things about a few things, the details wasn't just something made up.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

Yea I know. I have hands-on daily experience...

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 10 points 15 hours ago

Hey, I did grow up in the country. It's bad, but not simply "we're all racists" bad.

Roma people have communities that are regressive and extremely poor. People trying to break out are often disowned, you can hear testimonies from Roma people who went to university that their families consider them traitors, to the point they get beaten to the brink of death if they visit home.

On top of this, tenant laws are basically not enforced, which is a miserable experience on both sides. A tenant whose deposit has been stolen by a landlord and a landlord trying to evict a tenant for not paying rent and moving in 30 people can both wait 6-10 years for a ruling.

I can tell you more, but these are the biggest points to make.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 12 hours ago

Yep. Exactly as described.

[-] Shayeta@feddit.org 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

In elementary school I had two classmates who were Roma. One was a chill dude, the other was unhinged and dropped out.

Aside from them I also saw dozens of Roma kids my age around town who would just play or cause mischief all day, never went to school, and almost never had any positive relations with non-Roma kids.

From what I've seen, efforts to integrate Roma into broader society have been very lackluster, and on the opposite side, most Roma look down on and do not want to integrate into broader society.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago

Exactly as described.

The issue is on both sides... But if I were in power, I'd have no goddamn clue what to do with the Roma. Seems an impossible task.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 10 hours ago

There is no solution other than wait and hope for very slow integration. The governments try to manage the situation by offering minimal services. Lynchings still happen where the situation is unmanageable. That's it. Wait and hope for the best.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 14 hours ago

I'm afraid posting the truth will get you downvoted into oblivion.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago

Yea, it will. People have no idea. They think it's a similar situation to living with black people in America. It is not, not by a long shot. I've been around both and I was only afraid to live next to one.

[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

And this justifies discrimination based on race? Because boy howdy, do I have news about how discrimination against black people was justified.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

And this justifies discrimination based on race?

When it's about choosing a place to live with my family you're goddamn right it does.

I can not fathom raising a child in the place where I currently live, next to them. My child would learn the most vile words and risk getting beaten just for being too innocent the second they step outside.

You know when else this discrimination would be justified? In hospitals, where a screaming Roma guy that threatens the nurses constantly, yelling and getting in the way of staff, gets the attention on his friend with a mild fever while an innocent dies of blood loss in the same room. They take advantage of our free urgent care while the people that fund said urgent care die next to them. The distinction between them and everyone else is that they bring their entire extended family to threaten the staff into submission. And, since they're not integrated into society...they don't actually fund that urgent care. I know nurses. Nobody does that, ever, except them, according to nurses and lab workers. Ever seen someone busting into a lab? Our nurses have. It's always the Roma, according to them.

In other contexts, no, it's not justified, at least not in general.

Your take is good tho... We need to give them a chance, but it is so, so fucking tiring and hard not to be racist against them...

[-] SomeOneWithA_PC@feddit.org 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

to them ... give them

"In hospitals, where a screaming [Person] that threatens the nurses constantly, yelling and getting in the way of staff, gets the attention on his friend with a mild fever while an innocent dies of blood loss in the same room." would be better stated.

There does not exist a "them" also no "they". "distinction between them and everyone else is" -> there is no distinction. Rules are for all no matter who someone thinks they "belong to". I also know nurses and i know a lot of people do stupid thing similar and it doesn't matter who they are but what rules are there and who are breaking them. It's never a whole group of people that do not even know each other. To talk about individual, no matter how many they are, and stating all of them would do x or behave like y is racism imho. Talking about the groups does not help the goal but talking about rules, which matter, which need to change etc. and talking about actions and how they can be prevented without misjudging on a general group that can discriminate would be much better. Should we prevent a whole family going into care if one needs help or should we only ban someone who is arbitrary example over 1,73m or has only 100 freckles?

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

This is why I usually don't talk about this kind of thing. It's as if you didn't even read what I said. You skimmed 2 words, thought "that's racism", then replied.

[-] SomeOneWithA_PC@feddit.org 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You are wrong, i read your text completely and you obviously did not read what i wrote as otherwise you would have never came to the conclusion that i skimmed 2 words. Your whole text talks about "them" and "they" which is imho racism and fits the article which states

Bori Simonovits, however, noted that when they asked Hungarians to justify their views on discrimination, many began their sentences with “I’m not racist, but…,” only to follow that up with statements that fully embodied the concept of racism.

Most who don't want to see that those views are racism usually don't talk about it, because they don't want to confront that it is racist and wrong. To be a bit more precise and not to try to go aggressively against you, it is prejudice which everyone will encounter from time to time, but you should realize that you cannot say things about a whole "group" of people. The sentiment to put everyone into a category, might help evolutionary, but is wrong. Just think about Families and especially their Kids. Can't those change, can't they be completely different from each other, even so they both say they are belonging to Group XYZ?

Indicating problematic behaviors is right and correct but allocating to every "member of a group" is wrong and unhelpful.

Even your remarks

In other contexts, no, it’s not justified, at least not in general. Your take is good tho… We need to give them a chance, but it is so, so fucking tiring and hard not to be racist against them…

Don't change that. You are still talking about them and vaguely about "In other contexts". No its never justified. Also no it's not hard to not be racist against anyone and with some training it comes natural, if you want it.

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