▲ 180 ▼ Heh, (thelemmy.club) submitted 4 months ago by RNAi@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 months ago (18 children) Normally you can use "delusions" instead of fanon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago I'm glad you learned a lesson here. We won't be removing your post so it can maybe serve an educational purpose to others in the future, too. Thank you for being willing to accept criticism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago (2 children) The problem with the term delusion is that implies "mental illness" as a dichotomic alternative to "just having fun". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago It’s mostly having fun, but there is a line that gets crossed into the pathological when fans get angry at the author/creator when they do something that contradicts something in the fanon. And I don’t mean just being disappointed, I mean full on “how dare they this is an offense to me” anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago the term delusion is that implies “mental illness” I didn't even think that, you're right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Keld@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago* (5 children) I disagree. Spoilers for everything:: spoilerSometimes fanon gets confirmed later, or just adopted because it is actually a quite nice take on the story. Like Vault Tec being the ones to drop the nukes, or the Xenomorphs being made intentionally as a weapon. Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there's just not textual confirmation. Like Jon Snow being the son of Lyanna Stark But most of the time fanon either fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was, or it just refers to established conventions for fan fiction purposes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago It can do both permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was A delusion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago Some of that is better described as fan theories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 1 point 4 months ago Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there's just not textual confirmation. Like #Garashir. (Textually confirmed for alternate universe) permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (5 children) Don't be a DEckhead. The stories aren't real, the characters aren't real. They're subject to reimagining and reinterpretation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 months ago Oh shit I've been searching for the OG post for like a year now but couldn't remember enough details to find it lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago Had no idea that was posted here, the original post is so hard to find with google being so shit these days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) That was a good reading but They’re subject to reimagining and reinterpretation. That becomes a problem when for example the Korra fandom try to whitewash the nazi Kuvira to be something likeable. Okay the show itself try to do that but come on you should not agree with the bullshit the characters are saying(the authors are saying). The fandom can write an alternative universe that Kuvira is not a nazi piece of shit but why? Why the fixation on the nazi character? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago Why the fixation on the nazi character? Because she was the only villain that was really humanised at all in the show, so people gravitate towards that. I think a better question would be "why did the writers of the show decide that the only villain who needed to be portrayed complexly and sympathetically was the Fascist?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* Why the fixation on the nazi character? Awesome Hitler effect where western writers make their villain Hitler but also really cool and stoic (also always conventionally attractive) Her death camps are reduced to passing dialogue and we never get a follow up on them (also the ideology behind her death camps is so contrived and incomprehensible as to basically provoke fanon). A lot of western action stories have a worrying amount of Awesome Hitlers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) I like the term "Death of the Author" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago death of the author is about reading the text by itself. fan-canon is about making a bunch of shit up outside the text permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago I'm glad you learned a lesson here. We won't be removing your post so it can maybe serve an educational purpose to others in the future, too. Thank you for being willing to accept criticism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago (2 children) The problem with the term delusion is that implies "mental illness" as a dichotomic alternative to "just having fun". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago It’s mostly having fun, but there is a line that gets crossed into the pathological when fans get angry at the author/creator when they do something that contradicts something in the fanon. And I don’t mean just being disappointed, I mean full on “how dare they this is an offense to me” anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago the term delusion is that implies “mental illness” I didn't even think that, you're right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago It’s mostly having fun, but there is a line that gets crossed into the pathological when fans get angry at the author/creator when they do something that contradicts something in the fanon. And I don’t mean just being disappointed, I mean full on “how dare they this is an offense to me” anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago the term delusion is that implies “mental illness” I didn't even think that, you're right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Keld@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago* (5 children) I disagree. Spoilers for everything:: spoilerSometimes fanon gets confirmed later, or just adopted because it is actually a quite nice take on the story. Like Vault Tec being the ones to drop the nukes, or the Xenomorphs being made intentionally as a weapon. Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there's just not textual confirmation. Like Jon Snow being the son of Lyanna Stark But most of the time fanon either fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was, or it just refers to established conventions for fan fiction purposes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago It can do both permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was A delusion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago Some of that is better described as fan theories. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 1 point 4 months ago Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there's just not textual confirmation. Like #Garashir. (Textually confirmed for alternate universe) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) fulfills a need for the story to be better than it was A delusion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago Some of that is better described as fan theories. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 1 point 4 months ago Sometimes the fanon is basically canon but there's just not textual confirmation. Like #Garashir. (Textually confirmed for alternate universe) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (5 children) Don't be a DEckhead. The stories aren't real, the characters aren't real. They're subject to reimagining and reinterpretation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 months ago Oh shit I've been searching for the OG post for like a year now but couldn't remember enough details to find it lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago Had no idea that was posted here, the original post is so hard to find with google being so shit these days. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) That was a good reading but They’re subject to reimagining and reinterpretation. That becomes a problem when for example the Korra fandom try to whitewash the nazi Kuvira to be something likeable. Okay the show itself try to do that but come on you should not agree with the bullshit the characters are saying(the authors are saying). The fandom can write an alternative universe that Kuvira is not a nazi piece of shit but why? Why the fixation on the nazi character? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago Why the fixation on the nazi character? Because she was the only villain that was really humanised at all in the show, so people gravitate towards that. I think a better question would be "why did the writers of the show decide that the only villain who needed to be portrayed complexly and sympathetically was the Fascist?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* Why the fixation on the nazi character? Awesome Hitler effect where western writers make their villain Hitler but also really cool and stoic (also always conventionally attractive) Her death camps are reduced to passing dialogue and we never get a follow up on them (also the ideology behind her death camps is so contrived and incomprehensible as to basically provoke fanon). A lot of western action stories have a worrying amount of Awesome Hitlers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 months ago Oh shit I've been searching for the OG post for like a year now but couldn't remember enough details to find it lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago Had no idea that was posted here, the original post is so hard to find with google being so shit these days. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) That was a good reading but They’re subject to reimagining and reinterpretation. That becomes a problem when for example the Korra fandom try to whitewash the nazi Kuvira to be something likeable. Okay the show itself try to do that but come on you should not agree with the bullshit the characters are saying(the authors are saying). The fandom can write an alternative universe that Kuvira is not a nazi piece of shit but why? Why the fixation on the nazi character? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago Why the fixation on the nazi character? Because she was the only villain that was really humanised at all in the show, so people gravitate towards that. I think a better question would be "why did the writers of the show decide that the only villain who needed to be portrayed complexly and sympathetically was the Fascist?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* Why the fixation on the nazi character? Awesome Hitler effect where western writers make their villain Hitler but also really cool and stoic (also always conventionally attractive) Her death camps are reduced to passing dialogue and we never get a follow up on them (also the ideology behind her death camps is so contrived and incomprehensible as to basically provoke fanon). A lot of western action stories have a worrying amount of Awesome Hitlers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago Why the fixation on the nazi character? Because she was the only villain that was really humanised at all in the show, so people gravitate towards that. I think a better question would be "why did the writers of the show decide that the only villain who needed to be portrayed complexly and sympathetically was the Fascist?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago* Why the fixation on the nazi character? Awesome Hitler effect where western writers make their villain Hitler but also really cool and stoic (also always conventionally attractive) Her death camps are reduced to passing dialogue and we never get a follow up on them (also the ideology behind her death camps is so contrived and incomprehensible as to basically provoke fanon). A lot of western action stories have a worrying amount of Awesome Hitlers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) I like the term "Death of the Author" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago death of the author is about reading the text by itself. fan-canon is about making a bunch of shit up outside the text permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago death of the author is about reading the text by itself. fan-canon is about making a bunch of shit up outside the text permalink fedilink source parent