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[-] orclev@lemmy.world 222 points 1 day ago

The records seem to indicate it was used as part of the island's reverse osmosis water treatment system. There I saved you a click.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

yeah, it just seems licentious since most of us have no reason to buy sulphuric acid, let alone such large quantities.

[-] idyllic@leminal.space 8 points 14 hours ago

It may not be for dissolving bodies. But since the timing is suspect and indicative of some coverup, I would guess probably destroying trace DNA evidences.

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago

I kind of consider that to be plausible. 330 gallons sounds like a lot but it's only 6 barrels and there's way more effective ways to get rid of bodies (which I think is the implication). Also, justice isn't being achieved, not because of lack of evidence here, but because disgusting crimes are being covered up, and disgusting people being protected. I'm ok focusing on "why aren't any men in jail for this right now?"

[-] lemming741@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

The volume is a tote, aka an IBC container

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container

Super common and readily available for both legitimate and/or illegal purposes.

[-] commie_rogers@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago

Document specifically states 6 55-gal drums.

[-] lemming741@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Must not have a forklift on the island in that case

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

are you telling me epstein couldn't labor traffic one forklift certified worker

[-] commie_rogers@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

Non sequitir.

The presence of an IBC tote would imply the presence of some equipment necessary to move it (at least a pallet jack, possibly a forklift), maybe.

However, the inverse does not follow: absence of a tote does not imply the absence of the equipment needed to move one. The presence or absence of the equipment is logically independent of the absence of the equipment (even though it would be be implied by the presence of the equipment).

This is called denying the antecedent. The conditional does not imply the inverse. In symbolic terms:

Conditional: p → q
Inverse: ¬p → ¬q

(p → q) → (¬p → ¬q) is false.

If you're going to make claims on the Internet, it's worth learning at least a little propositional logic.

[-] STUNT_GRANNY@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Also, forklift attachments exist specifically for grabbing and moving barrels around. One of them is called a parrot beak.

[-] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago
[-] commie_rogers@lemmy.ml 1 points 53 minutes ago

It sure seems like it sometimes 🤣

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Didn't realize there were tall ibc totes, I thought they were all 1000L/265gal

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today -1 points 21 hours ago

Which is ~3.5 foot-bathtubs or 7 MFM...Mega-Foot-Mugs or 35panda-feet or 35 pizza ft ~65watermelons per apple feet. I asked Mr Chat for these actual units, so likely to be all wrong. Things were looking credible until pizza ft. Darn!

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Also you’d buy in bulk because the cost of delivery is probably the same.

[-] epicthundercat@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We wouldnt have to speculate if the DOJ would do their job in a way that allows the population to trust them. We dont get that though, so we have to be the justice ourselves to a degree by demanding total transparency and that also means questioning to ensure information comes out if its there. Thats my take.

People are being left to fill in the gaps and that causes mass confusion and makes people question real evidence. Its not okay

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I don't disagree at all. The process we're forced to go through because we seem to be the only ones that care is maddening

[-] epicthundercat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its so depressing, honestly and its purposeful. They want confusion. The American government is pretty damn good at Gaslighting and confusing the public, honestly... It wouldnt be the first time... and I have never been one of those tinfoil hat types. You can even go back and think about the Tuskegee experiment, MKUltra ect... among others... Its messed up how much they view us as manipulatable pawns... and this isnt to say other Governments dont engage in similar crap, too but ours is pretty dang experienced in the art of deception now.

P.S. MK Ultra feels cheesy to bring up at all due to the stigma but it happened and its messed up but its an example of purposeful manipulation.

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

I think their job is to cover it up and they're doing it well.

[-] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Didn’t all of this start with the ideological principle that a government by the people would inherently serve the people? So the groups of interest don’t diverge between public and government, in theory.

The FBI, CIA, NSA, … have been obvious contradictions to that claim well before Trump. I mean… shit, for starters, everyone knows about the CIA testing their truth serum on American coffee shop customers.

Seems that, for a while now, the reality has been more like that of two separate interest groups: government and public. Where did things start to diverge from the original intent?

I understand that governments are sometimes faced with need to act against public interest for the sake of public interest. For example, keeping the development of the atomic bomb a secret was vital to American goals at the time — despite the fact that many Americans would have probably preferred to have a much deeper discussion on the matter. Whether or not secrecy was the right call, it’s clear that not having it kept secret risked millions more American lives in a war… hence the conflict.

But that doesn’t seem to be the distinction here. For decades, the US government has been allowed to act in the interest of the government. Better surveillance, more lobbying and dark money, using economic and military influence to deter successful socialism in foreign states, the constant propaganda (especially regarding communism), … these are the behaviors of self-preservation, particularly for the government. How’d that start?

[-] minorkeys@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

The plausibly only makes it well hidden, if it wasn't used for that.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

I think it'd be a shit way to get rid of bodies unless maybe if it was just bones. Fat and soft tissue would probably need a strong base like sodium hydroxide to break down - which is why it's used for making soap

[-] idyllic@leminal.space 1 points 14 hours ago

trace DNA evidences?

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Nitric acid would be better. But apparently sulfuric acid and highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide works well. Look up piranha solution.

But on an island, I would think a large barrel, concrete, and some very deep water would be sufficient.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

i was going to say, just get some aqua regia. unfortunately i fat fingered my google and accidentally searched for acid that dissolves god and i don't think lysergic acid is great for cleaning up evidence

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

If anyone wants to see this in action, one of the Mythbusters Breaking Bad specials test out the bathtub dissolving thing from season 1. In the show they use hydrofluoric acid, but that doesn't work and they move to harder stuff. They don't actually say it's piranha solution, cause Discovery probably wouldn't wanna let them teach people how to get rid of bodies, but they say sulfuric acid and something else "with a lot of oxygen" wink wink

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

If there was a massive order for hydrogen peroxide I'd believe piranha solution was used for these purposes

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Yea seems a lot easier to just take a body out to sea and drop it. They won't even know where it ends up between the depth and the currents. I doubt a body would even last that long on the sea bed.

[-] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, but you would need some kinda trap door that leads directly to the ocean for that in your own house.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Or, you know, a boat.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I never said the body had to be in one piece. For all we know Jeffrey could have been an avid fisherman.

[-] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 4 points 1 day ago

Or really small, like child size.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago

It’s also, like not even that much for this kind of janitorial purpose. To add to that, while it sounds insidious, sulphuric acid isn’t the nefarious thing it sounds like.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

My first thought went to scrubbing things like iron and calcium stains.

[-] xkbx@startrek.website 3 points 1 day ago

Do you mind if your second thought goes to scrubbing my dishes? I’ll pay it in b12 or whatever brains like

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Some people said when it's mixed with other things it becomes quite potent. I'm not gonna Google it.

[-] Stabbitha@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

Pretty much everything can become quite potent when mixed with other things. There are so many better ways to dispose of bodies than having acid delivered to an island.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

It makes chlorine gas when mixed with bleach.

Point is buying something for your pool in bulk isn’t really a red flag, especially on an island that doesn’t have a pool supply store.

I’m certainly not trying to defend Epstein or anything, but this isn’t the worrysome thing.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

As in mix to make something nefarious. To dissolve things.

And if you wanted to do something nefarious, you'd try to hide it as something that can be explained away. You know, as pool supplies.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago
[-] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

You're right criminals would never think to hide their activities. That's crazy talk. Now let's talk about that weirdly profitable car wash.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

What other proof do you have that they were dissolving bodies? Because that’s the implication in the “scariness” of sulfuric acid, right?

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Great cover story. At this point, no conspiracy theory is crazy enough to not be true.

[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

My RO doesn't have any chemical consumables.. Any idea why?

[-] YerbaYerba@lemmy.zip 4 points 19 hours ago

It prevents calcium carbonate buildup on the RO membrane. The acid is added to the incoming sea water to keep it slightly acidic.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Might depend on the source water. The article mentions it's used for water softening so if you're starting with water that has low mineral content maybe it's an unnecessary step.

[-] LMurch 4 points 1 day ago

I heard someone say on a podcast that 330 gallons would last about 15 years. I haven't fact checked that and AI wouldn't touch it, lol.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I think that would very much depend on the size of the system. If you're processing a gallon of water a day that's probably true, but if you're doing like 60 gallons a day probably not so much. It sounds like he had a reverse osmosis plant in the island that likely supplied all the water in the island so probably even for things like showers and maybe even swimming pools (I assume he had a swimming pool, it sounds right for a rich douchebag like him).

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