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Understood. I think there's a tendency to overestimate the influence of external actors in order to subconsciously externalize America's problems as not-American. Fascist ideology plays on this tendency and cultivates an image of a "pure" nation that is merely being corrupted by external forces (or often an internal force that is externalized/otherized). So that's probably one reason you're seeing so much pushback in these replies.
When studying US history, we see a consistent through-line of decades of imperialism, war crimes, and domestic oppression that isn't in any way unique to Trump and can be explained almost entirely by US material interests. Given that and the fact the US is the dominant global superpower, narratives that try to assign blame to foreign actors seem mislead at best.
I would normally agree, but Russia's influence on MAGA, and especially HitlerPig himself, is well documented.
In 1997, Alexandr Dugin published The Foundations of Geopolitics, which outlined how Russia could achieve world dominance without war, and it has become the playbook for Russian foreign policy. It is taught at the Russian Military Academy, and Putin keeps a copy on his desk. Dugin is still a close advisor, and his daughter was a major intelligence authority until she was murdered by a car bomb that was meant for her father.
I suggest everyone who thinks the Russia influence is overblown to peruse the section under Content, where they will find Russia's plan to dominate each region of the world. Under America, it reads:
Read the section on England, and you will recognize Brexit. Read the section on Ukraine, and you will read language that Putin has quoted directly in his justifications for invading Ukraine. It is obvious that this book is Putin's blueprint.
There is also this statement:
And here is this community, doing exactly what Putin wants you to do.
Not only is Putin behind the rise of far right politics, you are falling right into his trap, and helping him.
libs and the great man theory, name a more iconic duo
You are following the Republican motto: Don't bother me with facts, my mind's made up.
You've walked back every single attempt at facts you've made today. You don't get to speak about facts, little one
You are follow8ng the narrative set out by a Russian far right extremist. Generally not people to be trusted
Oh god here we go lmfaooo
Googled Alexander Dugin. Dude basically invented being a nazbol and citing him should be met with a LOT of skepticism. Im not reading some book by a fascist but these seems like using mein kampf as a source. Dubious as a source and sus that they even read it.
This guy is a dumb lib dweeb, but what he's saying is that "Dugninism" is the guiding philosophy of the RF and beloved by people like Putin. So he's not citing Mein Kampf on Mein Kampf's authority, he's pointing to people liking Mein Kampf and then explaining their actions in terms of what Mein Kampf says.
The critical difference being that Dugin's influence is wildly overstated and he's just sort of a cartoon villain for liberals to invent conspiracies about because he says a lot more wild stuff than Putin. Obviously Dugin is evil and has a political faction, but he's not some national puppetmaster.
I was saying its weird to be reading the guy in the first place like its weird to read nein Kampf
I don't think this guy actually reads Dugin as much as he is fed quotes from BlueAnon people, but it's actually a good thing to be familiar with the content of Mein Kampf because it destroys countless liberal myths about Germans having the Holocaust be kept secret from them, about the Soviets believing Hitler was their ally, that the future western Allies weren't tolerant of such things, and so on. Hitler really does lay out all the most important aspects of what the Nazis would go on to do, and people around the world read his book and unquestionably saw it coming, which is a very simple proof that certain liberal readings of history around these issues are completely false. Likewise, I think that if Dugin was really that important to Russia, it is a perfectly reasonable thing to be as familiar with his work because it would help you understand the Russian state and the reactions of various other parties. The main issue is that he isn't that important.
Remember, you can't defeat fascists at scale by being ignorant of them.
Im saying this guy is an idiot for citing an asshole, okay? Youre being annoying
He's not "citing" Dugin based on Dugin being credible, he is "citing" Dugin based on Dugin being a fascist menace. He's wrong (Dugin is a fascist, but not some central influence), but the line that you've copy/pasted in like four different places doesn't make sense.
I know, I'm just waiting for one of these BlueAnon libs to show any real proof that he's actually an influential figure in current day Russian politics. As far as I've been able to sus out, him and Putin have never even been in the same room together lol
Im separated by age and distance but yeah. Id be surprised if Putin could recall who the guy is if you mentioned the name to him
At least they claimed to read a book instead of just citing Wikipedia?
Yeah, and I gotta ask why the fuck theyre picked up this guy's book in the first place. This feels like using mein kampf as a citation...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin
This dude is like the og nazbol
I'll take your word for it, don't know anything about the guy. I guess I still prefer them to come outright and admit the fascism when they're militantly defending war crimes... makes it easier
There is a very good chance this is a teenager because that's exactly the type of shit I used to say
Um, excuse you Ma'am, they have a hIsTorY dEgReE
The author of these sources
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin
If Putin's goal is to take down the US, explain why shouldn't we help him? The US is currently arming a genocide, closely supporting the genocidal military and government. For-profit prisons hold thousands, nearly a quarter of the world's entire prisoner population is in the US. Slavery is legal, US prisoners are forced to do work for the profit of their captors. Immigrants are now allowed to be ~~deported~~ exiled to countries other than their origin regardless of their risk of harm, and while the raids now are more public, democrats paved the way for the current enforcement. Thousands are set to be deported to Guantanamo Bay and other places overseas. Life expectancy is going down and set to continue decreasing as public health measures are gutted and healthcare further privatized. There is not even a hint of serious action against climate change from the US. Innocent people, women, children, animals are killed every day from US made and delivered bombs.
What horror would you see happening if the US as it formally is now ceased to be?
Remember, immigrants aren't just being deported or exiled, because those terms imply that they get to be free at least within wherever they are sent to, rather than being sent to a foreign prison to be used a slaves indefinitely.
Yeah but think of how bad it'll be if its a Russian guy doing it! Haven't you seen movies? Theyre ontologically evil!
Fuck you, if America didn't try to fuck my country or any other country I'll not have the anti-americanism. USA did "Putin dirty job" alone. Don't try to shift the blame.
Here's the author of where they got this 'information'...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin
Sus
Obviously, I don't agree with the rest of what you said either, but this part is really egregious. The US is the global hegemon, and its crimes are innumerable but I can list as many as you like. Its power is difficult to overstate, nor its involvement in the dire state of the world at present. Obviously it gets used as a bizarre scapegoat by reactionaries in the imperial periphery and semi-periphery (e.g., blaming queerness on an American attempt to corrupt public morality), but that's very different from correctly identifying America for its actual genocidal atrocities, coups, imperialist extraction, and so on.
You really are falling into fundamentally conservative traps of thinking that idealize America as some pure thing being corrupted rather than seeing the machine for what it is.
Damn, seems like Russia is really good at long term planning. Sounds like they'd be better at running America. I've been anti American before Putin was even in charge. Im a Yeltsin era hater.
Also, youre using a neo fascist as your source.
Russia, and any other nation that spreads "anti-Americanism," is absolutely justified. Its not some deep geopolitical plot, it's just basic self defense for decades of American meddling across the globe.
Maybe if you didn't want warlords and dictators everywhere, you shouldn't have given them guns and money just because communism bad.