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Skyrim-style open world RPG Tainted Grail: The Fall Of Avalon releases out of early access today
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You do you but Game Pass is awesome and the value is unmatched.
Why do you think it is that way right now?
What part of the progression to the end stage of Spotify do you think we are at?
Maybe the stage where they give you a bunch of stuff in an unsustainable firehose because it is meant to destabilize the industry and decisively put Microsoft between gamers and video game developers so they can charge both more rent once there aren't any popular alternatives left?
I know that someone like you with your attitude will just say "whatever bro, it is what it is" and frankly I don't want to live that way because nobody can live that way forever.
To be clear, Gamepass itself is a totally fine concept, but if you choose to remain ignorant of the context Gamepass is being used in that is your problem and honestly people are going to remember you didn't care, especially video game developers.
I find massive value in the service so I subscribe to it. When I don’t I won’t. It’s not the deep “bro”. Maybe Microsoft does have some underlying motive to reshape the gaming industry but I’m not going to think about it that hard. Also things change and it’s ok. Apple started the digital music movement BTW and I’m not an artist so that is theirs and the labels deal to negotiate. Spotify is great value too FYI.
I know you don't want to, that was obvious from our initial interaction which is precisely why I am taking the time to try to get you to think about it harder or at least point out to others the folly in your shallowness.
Plenty of other things in my life that require that attention over a video game service.
That is perfectly ok, you don't have to tackle the world by yourself, thank you for providing me the public opportunity to show why you are so critically incorrect in your approach to things you love so the rest of us can evolve together :)
Just because we are leaving you in the dust doesn't mean we won't care for you, but my oh my you are taking out a big future debt on your soul by going through your life with an attitude like this.
Me and 34 million other people, thanks for having our backs!
Why wouldn't I?
I have nothing against the idea of people using gaming streaming services. I think it is awesome actually, I just can't join into the positivity yet until we solve this existential underlying problem.
Ad populum btw
stats can also just be stats
You sure are spending plenty of attention on defending that you don’t have attention to spend on this. We all vote with our wallets. There’s no opting out.
Just wait for the enshitication. Once they have a stranglehold on the gaming industry, that’s when the prices go up and the benefits go down.
Nobody is forcing anyone to subscribe.
It doesn’t make a difference. They’ll enshitify that service to hell whether you subscribe or you don’t.
Amazing how I've been hearing the same thing since the service released 8 years ago. Will it eventually get shitty? Probably. But in the meantime it's a phenomenal value.
Step 1: get lots of subscribers Step 2: enshitify
It took them 8 years of trying to get to step 1.
They hit 10 million subs 5 years ago. Not sure what your definition of "lots" is...
10m is not even a speck of the gaming landscape
40% of Xbox gamers are from the US. The US has 132 million households. That means that roughly 1 in 10 US households currently has a Gamepass sub. Hope that puts it into perspective.
You're assuming that those 40% of Xbox gamers are also 40% of Xbox game pass subscribers
No. 34 million current gamepass subscribers. 40% of Xbox gamers are from US, so roughly 13.6 million subs in the US. There's 131 million US households, thus 1 in 10.
During the pandemic? Wasn’t PS plus at around 40m at that time? Xbox live at 90m? Netflix at 180m?
PS Plus is closer to Xbox Live than Xbox Gamepass. Xbox Live had 40-50 million subs at the time in 2020.
Presently Xbox Live has 120 million users vs 33 million PS Plus Essentials subscribers. Gamepass has 34 million subs vs 14 million higher-tier PS Plus subs. Even if we drop Nintendo into the mix, Gamepass has an equal number of subs to Nintendo Online members. Seems like they're doing just fine.
I don’t personally know anyone on game pass, and only one with Nintendo online, so that seems accurate. But it doesn’t matter. Releasing AAA games day one on a subscription model isn’t sustainable for Microsoft or the studios participating. Those prices will go up and the service will enshitify.
Then you guys should stop wasting your time.
My friend, this is why Lemmy exists.
They said that about steam and look at us now.
It's people flocking to it until it's the only place to release games that is gonna force you.
People use something out of value and/or convenience. It taking over is just the effect of that. It's capitalism not some underlying motive from the corporation. Of course a business wants their product to succeed.