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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (76 children)

I have some gloves-off shit I need to get off my mind and I feel the time and place for it is now because I’m very angry:

So… non voters, remember when we were telling everyone that would listen to “vote blue no matter who? Remember that? Of course you do- you threw that shit back at us like it was a god damned grenade. Remember that? 

Yeah, well…. THIS is why we were saying that. 

You see, we all saw this shit coming. Which is why we were saying to plug your fucking noses and just vote. Hell.., We even tried to reason with you- suggesting that- 

You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!

You didn’t listen. 

Your “…but, they’re doing a genocide!” was so deeply embedded via your little edgelord wind-tunnels, that most of you began to see it as an argument to win, instead of a point to be made-

Instead of doing anything substantial to help end it.

Well. Your point was definitely made. We all have heard you loud and clear. You collectively and VERY loudly agreed that you would be fine with the outcome either way- since genocide was going to be happening no matter who you voted for, right?

I do have to ask though… 

Are you still fine with your choice? How about the memory of you, sitting on your asses and laughing at all the people rushing to voting booths in-between work and picking their kids up from daycare… How is that sitting with you? All those jokes and inflammatory remarks you hurled at the people who tried their fucking best to stop this with the only thing they have- their vote. The people, who tried to protect your sorry asses that couldn’t be bothered to even do the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM asked to protect our democracy. 

I ask you… are those jokes still funny? 

Is there any chance that any of you want to walk back all those accusations you made about everyone being sheep? What about those smug and arrogant jabs about how both sides are the same? About how democrats and republicans are somehow working together… 

care to issue a statement here? 

Because I’m pretty damned certain that NONE of this shit would be happening right now if you had listened to us when we told you that this was going to happen.

When HE fucking told you this would happen.  

And while very few people here were ever in favor of the genocide in Palestine- much to the disagreement of the few that are around that are STILL arguing against this point- we knew and know- that the pain we face at home must be resolved before we can be of any aid in the pain endured by others in theirs… Especially when most of you couldn’t have even pointed to any of those homes on a map a year ago and a half ago.

It should be noted that this is not in any way to lay the entirety of blame at the feet of the stay-at-home/its-someone-else’s-problem protestors, but the numbers are in, and while your combined lack of effort might not make up the entirety of the ninety one million registered voters that stayed home, it’s a fair guess that between you and the ones that voted third party- 

We could have avoided this.  

Roughly four to five million votes. That’s all we needed. Just four to five million of you to have listened. But your arrogance, your fucking entitlement- wouldn’t let this happen. 

So now here we are. With this shit. This tyrant king and his pet tech-gremlin, stripping away our rights hour by hour, day by day. And while dealing with this shit, I as an American, have to carry on hour by hour, day by day- being tossed into the same bucked with you. 

I have to shoulder the blame right along side you. And it’s not fucking fair. I did my part. I voted. I canvased, I shouted from the fucking rooftops. 

But I’ll digress…

I sincerely hope that high road you thought you were taking lands you all right to where it seems the rest of us are going…. 

Because no one deserves it more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The genocide stuff(yes we know its deplorable) was a wedge issue grift started and perpetuated by russia

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, funny how after election day, genocide stopped being the #1 voting issue here, but that said, there were a handful of useless idiots who actually bought into the rooskie psyop, and you occasionally see their pathetic attempts to justify their choices up to today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Why are you okay with your fellow Americans being unrepresented in the voting booth?

Are you working to replace First past the post voting in your state? People should be free to vote for those they deem best, while still counting their vote against those they don't want in office.

We don't need to wait for a miracle from congress. How we vote us controlled at the state level. Alaska has already done away with FPTP voting. Alaskan Republicans were so upset that Ranked Choice voting kept Sarah Palin out of office they offered up a referendum to go back to FPTP voting. The people of Alaska voted to keep it. Other republican controlled states are passing legislation to outlaw any voting system other then First-past-the-post voting

Why do you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer? Do you support democracy? Or do you get off on telling people how to vote?

Videos on alternative voting systems

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago

90 million voters don't know just how fucking good they have it. They think America is America because it's America. America is America because the people before us were willing to die for human rights.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't even have to hold my nose for Kamala. She seemed fine. Nothing amazing but fine, just like Biden.

But then again I don't care about the pressing issues like how someone laughs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

I hear she wore a tan suit just like Obama

[–] [email protected] 14 points 21 hours ago

I was one of those people right there with you, screaming at the non voters to vote.

Given what the Election Truth Alliance, and The Voice of San Diego have uncovered, I don't think it would have mattered. They used every single method to steal the election that they could.

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs

https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0

https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Am Not an American . Are the Democrats now doing something to be more appealing in the future, or they just rely on Trump to keep being awful?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

At the moment, our fiercest Democrat just voted for the new law to allow The government to censor anything on the internet they don't like. I think it's fair to say it's not going well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Funny, why don't you name the law and let people look it up and read what it actually says? Are you talking about S.146, a bill to prohibit the nonconsensual online publication of intimate visual depictions of individuals, and requiring platforms to remove it upon request?

So in other words, if someone posts nudes of you online and you object to it, this law would require the site to take it down upon your requesting it.. is THAT the censorship you are crying about??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

You mean the one that's so vaguely worded that it can be used by the government to silence anything and remove free speech?

Why didn't you publish the entire full text of the bill here and all the possible outcomes along with a bunch of news articles listing pros and cons of such thing?

Christ, if you think that's crying please don't ever have kids.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I think this is hard for people from other countries to understand. Our Democrats are not an opposition party. We don't have that concept in our system. I'll admit I was naive to it before Trump started Trumping. Even after the first Trump I was thinking, "Well, that was fucking dumb. Glad we found our sanity again." And I was wrong.

I wouldn't have been able to articulate this before. I credit my time on Lemmy for some of it. But in reality you can't explain any of this shit show UNLESS you accept that our entire political system is now structured to serve the rich at the expense of the peasants. Universal healthcare is a no brainer. Infrastructure like rail and renewables is a no brainer. Affordable childcare and reasonable wages is a fucking no brainer. UNLESS the incentives for those in power are not aligned with the good of the people.

Democrats don't care that they're not in power, as long as the establishment keeps getting paid.

Now, of course, there can be those like AOC and Sanders who buck that trend. Leaders with those types of values do tend toward the Democratic party. But those are the exceptions. And they can't save us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

InverseParallax is right, my friend. The Republicans aren't paying you by the word. Next time, just say something stupid like "Both Sides Are The Same!" and keep it down to a single paragraph.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Jesus, somewhere there's a GOP party operative that's literally wondering whether or not he paid for that whole screed to depress turnout.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The Democrats are probably praying that Trump lives till he's 1000 years old, otherwise they would need to do something more than not being Ttump

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago

they would need to do something more than not being Ttump

The only thing not being Trump has gotten them so far was one more term of an old white guy who was barely left of the right.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 21 hours ago

I voted liberal in Canada specifically because the conservatives were becoming more MAGA adjacent. I don't like the libs much, but I will have them over PP's Trump ass kissing any day.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Well said brother.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

2024 was the second highest turnout of any election on record. This isn't the fault of non voters.

Democrats should have been begging voters to turn out, offering to give them anything they wanted to avoid Trump. Instead they actively refused the one thing voters were demanding while using trump almost like a threat

I'm so tired of this 'democrats can't fail, only be failed' apologia from liberals. As things continue getting worse it will only become harder for democrats to win anything, especially if they continue refusing what voters are asking for while blaming them for the fascism dems are collaborating with.

Better get your boots laced because sitting on your ass and whining about non-voters won't protect you, we're all in this shit now because democrats couldn't get themselves to challenge Israel's genocide

[–] [email protected] 21 points 22 hours ago (11 children)

The Democratic Party doesn't give a fuck about America turning into a fascist nightmare. Never have, never will. Most of them would be happy to play puppet opposition if it meant that the checks would keep coming.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (11 children)

Try convincing someone like rhoeri of that.

They'd rather deflate the popular anti-wealth momentum within their own party just so they can deflect attention away from inequality, and thats why they'll continue losing. You and I know that, but people like the above will continue placing blame on voters who are increasingly frustrated instead.

That's how libs end up collaborating with fascism - they're too invested in the existing and failing capital structure

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

rhoeri

I wonder how rhoeri's campaign to pass electoral reform in their state is going? Surely someone couldn't be that upset with 3rd party voters and not be driven to fix the voting system that is the source of the spoiler effect.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I held my nose and voted for Kamala, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 should have been cakewalks for Dems but they refuse to win the easy races by picking the worst candidates, sure 2020 fell for Dems but that wasn't for lack of trying to lose. The Democrat party keeps putting their fingers on the scale for the losing option in the primaries.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I have so many idiot friends who said "I'm not voting for Harris cause of Israel". I'm betting that line was a plant by the Republicans or Putin. but it stuck. and my friends bought it hook line and sinker.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

line was a plant

Didn't need to be, the whole point of the Israel support was to sow the division. It was designed to be a no-win scenario on the left, orchestrated by the right, and the dino's. The defense contractors win, there's a stock angle to play and the collapse of support for the left.

The truth is, the left is not listening. They haven't been for a long time. But not voting left wasn't about to change any of that. Half the left is owned by the right. This takeover wasn't overnight, it was over decades. Even if we managed to squeek in Harris, it would only have been another 4-8 years and we'd be back here.

Unless something drastic happens, we will stay a fascist dictatorship.

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