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In a normal world he would be in prison for treason. There is no way he wasn’t aware of what was happening when he was being paid 100,000 a week.
I don't understand these guys. They know what they're doing, and they know it's to help a sick and despotic country wreck the United States. If that effort is successful... what do they think their dollars will be worth when the "full faith and credit of the United States of America" no longer means anything?
These motherfuckers can't see further than their nose. It's a common problem with the right wing. Their motto should be "Modern problems require shortsighted solutions."
“Not my problem” until it is, then it’s “who did this to me?”
"Fuck em, I got mine."
Cash money, for the next several quarters. Or they’re converting to crypto, I’m guessing.
It’s not about the dollars, but about what they will get as a reward for their work and a new regime comes in. My guess is they hope they are continued, and safe, as the new dictatorship takes over and they think they will continue being useful as a mouthpiece of propaganda or given a position of power.
That’s my guess anyway. It’s sick.
Because they don’t think of it that way. Many want to return to the gold standard as well but that’s nuts. Regardless yeah, they see it more as attempting to rebuild the US into a fascist ally of Russia. I don’t think they actually understand that their actions devalue American currency by breaking the faith in the country.
Also few people seem to really understand that the sole real value of the US dollar is that it’s the only currency that the US government accepts.
And it's defenders of justice, the constitution and democracy that are getting death threats from MAGAs today- SMH.
I mean the silver lining / horrifying truth is that they aren't able to support their show with the audience they have. The movement to prop them up is losing money on it and is not effective.
It's effective enough that Trump is a coin flip away from being president again
Unfortunately, these shows aren't why it's a coin flip. The tim cast channel has just over 1 million subscribers and the recent episodes struggle to crack 100k on the best days.
The reason the election is a coinflip is cause there's swathes of the US that are barely connected to any form of media except fox news and spend their days in ultra-conservative ultra-religious echo chambers.
Don't get me wrong, the foreign and domestic shadowy investment money is working, just not the portion that was allocated to propping up the tim cast.
A million subscribers in the swing states is not easily dismissed. If the election was just a popular vote I’d agree, his numbers are inconsequential. But unfortunately it’s the swing states that really matter for the presidential election.
But it's a million across all states, and statistically most of that million are in NY and CA, especially because that's where younger people who are more likely to know about a show like this live.
I was more referring to the whole ecosystem of Fox News rejects than Tim in particular.
Holy christ 100k a week? How was the FBI not on that?
I think they kind of were honestly, the goobers didn't even last two years before getting busted.
Yeah the fbi tends to act slow and not strike without certainty.
It's not treason, they haven't interfered with the government or leaked secrets, that I'm aware of. They spread misinformation, but beyond that nothing illegal
According to U.S. code:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.
He is taking money from Russia, who is an enemy of United States, and has the intent to undermine the current government and this year’s election. He didn’t report it and benefited financially from it. Sounds like it fits the code well to me.
Does spreading misinformation count as treason? Otherwise having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, doesn't apply.
The States convicted an innocent woman of treason for similar, if far less.
Taking large amounts of money from foreign nationals to spread misinformation is beyond just being unethical. Getting paid $2,500 an hour is obviously fraudulent.
There are definitely laws that could be twisted to charge them but we really should codify this so there is no question about its legality.
They're Republican operators, there are no laws applicable to them when the DOJ is run by a Republican
Treason?
I agree.
Must he have known what he was doing?
I disagree.
Tim Pool is extremely stupid.
Treason against whom? It's the billionaires' country, we just live in it.
Guys like Tim Poole aren't any more treasonous than Peter Creedy from V for Vendetta. They're the voice of the establishment not some upstart insurgents rebelling against the people in power.
Right now, we have a large tranche of white nationalist conservatives who are fully in alignment with Putin's extremist ideology. He's tapping into their propaganda network with their blessing.
Yeah but he sold himself to enemy oligarchs and betrayed his class. That's just rude, you're only supposed to do one under nationalism.
They're not enemies to our oligarchs though. That's the catch. Plenty of American's plutocrats see Russia as a model and Putin as an ally.