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I got a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering from a ‘good school’ and yet I never got a good entry level job in the field so I was just wandering the wastelands for a long while before I got a good corporate bullshit job from which I got fired after 3 years and now I have no actual engineering skills and tens of thousand in college debt

I’m 33 and live with my parents and I’m in this constant cycle of living with them until I find a good job in some far away city. They live in a remote place where the only jobs available are 7.50 and yet the living costs are absurd so really, you’re pretty much working just to work. The problem is I can’t move out and do human things such as live by own and have a meaningful because I need a decent salary to survive, and that can only happen if I get something in a far away big city. I don’t want to have to fend for peanuts living paycheck to paycheck(i’ve already tried that a couple of times) in some rathole in a city but I also hate living with my parents so I’m forced in an all or nothing mindset where I need to have a decent salary. I wish I could just take a low wage jobs in some other city but the logistics don’t allow me to.

I feel like I’m rambling, I just feel incredibly stuck, my social life and dating lives are nonexistent and I’m completely fucking broke. I just masturbate all day in my parents house. I have a degree that should be lucrative according to this shitass society, I’m not the archetype of a basement dwelling reddit loser because I do have drive and have moved from place to place and worked and clawed my way through life and stay fit and know how to talk to women and I constantly feel like I shouldn’t be where I’m at but…I kind of am a fucking loser.

Experience shows me that, I guess, this too shall pass and I should land on my feet but god damn I’m regressing constantly and every aspect of my life can’t be moved forward if Instay with my parents in this town. Sorry to rant

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I made the dumbass mistake of going into debt to get a bachelors from a supposedly good that I might have too much to qualify for student loans. I have been looking at studying in Europe since apparently (grad) school is subsidized. I might be wrong

Also, I tried getting an internship in college and I couldn’t and it’s evidently fucked me for life. Getting internships is just as hard as finding a job, and it feels like the entire field of engineering is built on the farce that it has an abundance of opportunity.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the following is assuming you're in the US:

i think in general, and definitely my experience, that getting grad school paid for is considerably easier, structurally. my undergraduate cost me a boatload. my MSc cost me like $400 in lab fees. undergraduate is the "cash cow", but the university runs on exploitable grad student labor through assistantships and tuition waivers for "university employees". this is where you work some almost full time job being a figure-it-out-and-do-all-my-scut for a research lab/team at some R1 school, and then also take 1-2 classes a semester, mostly in that same department that your boss is in, and for your masters research project, you glob on to whatever research project they are running and carve out some little piecemeal research question for your own limited investigation. in theory, you could totally go rogue and dream up whatever question you want, but its easy to paint oneself into a corner.

this is a tricky route because you're effectively signing up to be the serf of some tenure tracked faculty and many younger faculty are careerist psychos who were traumatized by their advisor and are now going to visit that trauma on their own grad students. if you can find an older professor, they can be more chill because they have less to prove. sometimes.

anyway, so you're taking classes, doing that homework, doing scutwork most hours of your day, and also having to learn how all kinds of equipment works and following weirdly complex/ad-hoc procedures. if your relationship with the professor goes bad before you can get your MS, you're kinda fucked unless you can find another prof to take you on and help you across the finish line.

an MS opens more doors into federal and state gov jobs and is about 2-3 years ish for part timers.

Pros:

  • you can pause your student loans because you're technically back in school (though if you're going non-profit/state work, i wouldn't. i would look in PSLF.)
  • after 2 years as a research tech + MS, you will have enough fodder after that to have an "impressive" resume/CV
  • in theory, you are getting paid to go to grad school and develop expertise
  • there is a camraderie to being a grad student with other grad students. you're all nerds, you're all broke. they know about cheap housing and bus schedules and cheap food.
  • a broadly recognized as respectable way to press pause on entering the job market
  • aside from specialized knowledge and experience, in terms of professional development you will get a lot better at written and oral communication in those topics and public speaking more generally. if you suck, you'll become OK. if you're OK, you'll become good. if you're good, you'll become great.

Cons:

  • the academy is second only to the military for harassment and bullying. motherfuckers can be toxic AF and the institution will protect them at your expense.
  • it fucking sucks to work all day and then have homework and class. my social life and hobbies were fucked.
  • the PhD cult will try to recruit you into doing a 5+ year bid instead of a 2+ year bid. a PhD informally closes certain professional doors and has a way of narrowing the horizon to include just the academy. i know people who have made it work and "do well" now, but honestly i don't think the juice is worth the squeeze for mental/emotional development. tenure tracked junior faculty with intact souls are the exception.
  • the public university system is very neoliberal anymore and nowhere is this more evident than as a grad student at an R1. the most odious aspect is that the people who are most highly remunerated at these institutions pretend they are public servants and engaging in public intellectualism instead of the most base and vain careerist sophistry. do not dispell their illusions or they will probably try to destroy you.

the way you get into this is looking at job openings at the R1 on campus, in the department that you would want to attend graduate school. you would apply for the job and once you figure out who the professor is that would be your supervisor, tell them you are interested in graduate school and inquire if that's an option. look up everything you can on that professor on their university profile and if you are actually interested in their research, that can really work in your favor in pitching yourself. someone who is curious about what they are curious about and can critically engage with the research is a rare diamond for a research professor. you also want to find a way to have candid conversations with their other grad students and see what they say, but you'd probably have to be stealthy about that.

i don't know if i fully recommend this path, but it exists, i took it out of frustration, and it worked out. if you've worked shit jobs before, you can handle the scut easy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

the most odious aspect is that the people who are most highly remunerated at these institutions pretend they are public servants and engaging in public intellectualism instead of the most base and vain careerist sophistry. do not dispell their illusions or they will probably try to destroy you.

absolute lmfao

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Getting internships in college is important if you want to go into industry, so it's unfortunate the school let you down in this way. Often schools will have career fairs or databases of registered internships through their career office, and those offer higher chances of success than applying from outside channels.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There were career fairs, I did go to them, but I had no luck getting anything. I remember waiting in massive lines only to get told to apply online at the booth. Like, might as well spit on my face.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I wish I had chosen a school with guaranteed internship placement

Wish I could sue the fuck out of the entire collegiate system for being such a fucking racket

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Class (action lawsuit) of 2024