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It’s because the developers rely on the players to make the content. You either end up with a shallow experience like looter shooters, or a dystopian hellscape like Eve Online where only the people playing the longest with the most sociopathic traits end up controlling the entire game board.
Either way, it’s not a fun experience. They act like you matter, that your choices mean something, but they don’t have any impact at all. It’s even less than a PvE game like BG3 where your choices dictate the playthrough.
Eve online is a good example of a good pvp system. At least your fighting has meaningful outcomes. A 5v5 in an arena game like CS has zero meaningful outcome.
If you pay attention the landscape is always changing in Eve. Big empires are constantly being challenged and the chess board is constantly changing.
Say what you want about Eve online. I don’t play it anymore. I don’t have the time for it. But I wish more developers were interested in making games like this instead of going for the esports trend. Clearly the money is in esports. I guess that’s what people prefer. I don’t tho. I think it’s boring.
Can confirm. I spent over 15 years in EvE, and only had PvP forced on me 7 or 8 times in that entire period. No rollercoaster or race track has given me an adrenaline rush like having my Rorquals dropped on by some stealth bombers and interceptors.
I still get twitchy if I hear the words, "Check check."
Oh yeah, the other thing that I just don't understand is that people say that EvE players are toxic. Yes they want to kill you, but they are the friendliest bunch of murderous assholes ever. In my experience, if they kill a newbee, and the newbee doesn't become horribly toxic about it, they'll normally end up reimbursing you for your loss, sometimes several times over.
RIP Vile Rat o7
The last big thing that happened was that WWB2 and then CCP changing the rules through the whole war to make sure Goons survived. Eve Online is a fucking joke.
I get what you are saying, it would be neat if more devs went this way with a player driven landscape portion of the game along with a PvE area. There just isn’t money in it like CS skins.