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Tbh I have never seen this quote before. The """"""""""anti-debate""""""""" quote I know is the "Trotsky has sent in a silly letter" one which is real. I'm wondering if this guy is a new age Kauskyite indulging in hipster leftism.
Thankfully the silly letter quote is real, if we lost that one I would be inconsolable
Oh thank fuck when I saw the post title I thought it was this one. I'm glad this one is still real I need it to stay real.
I thought they were part of the same quote.
In the article, they go over some examples of it being used in the mainstream by George Will. There's also at least one youtuber they cite as using it, for what that's worth. I haven't seen it on Hexbear or Lemmygrad, which is good.
From this article alone (never heard of this person before), they're definitely anti-Kautsky and pro-Lenin.
This whole section is interesting, too:
Oh that's nice. I mean, debate is fucking awful and i hate it, but new information is good.
I have a VERY hard time believing this is true in given the day and age we're living in.
I think "generally" is doing a lot of work there. Tons of people dig in if you challenge their opinions, but a lot of people don't, too. Say 30-40% of people dig in on their positions no matter what evidence they see. That's enough that it's a huge factor you'd see all the time, but you could still say that generally (most of the time) people respond to facts.
Another sticky issue is what people consider to be reliable, factual information. If my grandpa sends me a chain email with "facts" from OANN, I'm going to be pretty skeptical. Maybe the information is actually factual, but I would have to choose to take the time to verify it through other sources before it would change my mind.