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[–] 184 points 2 years ago (12 children)

The devices those users paid for? That should be illegal.

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  • [–] 180 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    I'm pretty sure this won't fly in court because this is a significant change to a product long after the product was purchased, which could potentially fly in the face of false advertising laws, since this "feature" was not advertised, and they're not being denied access to a product they purchased. It's clearly coercive.

    However, this is the USA and stupider shit has happened. Judges here love to gargle corporate balls. See: Clearance Thomas.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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    Oh, to be fair, I stole that from someone else. Similar story, don't know if it was on purpose or on accident (didn't ask). It's fucking gold. Anyway, it was a random reddit comment deep in a thread, sorry I can't credit them since I don't recall their name.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Also how would they prove the owner even saw the notice they supposedly agreed to? This is probably them testing the waters for something worse.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    We have a couple of Rokus, but I haven’t seen the prompt yet. I’m thinking my 8 year old clicked through it. I wonder what situation that creates.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    In general, those terms and conditions are not enforceable, but that's not why they exist. Roku knows that if they are challenged, they will probably not win in court, but it creates that first hurdle. It costs money to go to court and hire lawyers to make those arguments. And Roku is willing to pay more for lawyers, so maybe they do win. So for you, the little guy, how much can you afford to spend on a case where you might lose?

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  • [–] 101 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    When are we gonna finally nail companies for using underhanded and coercive tactics with consumers?

    Oh, never? Okay then.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Europe is doing it. Look at Apple vs Spotify, as well as Apple forced to open their app stores to 3rd parties. Those are consumer oriented laws. In the USA, lobbying prevent those from happening.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    And until the EU starts playing hardball, they'll continue to engage in malicious compliance (literally how they've responded to the DMA so far). Time will tell if the EU actually has the balls for this.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    The DMA took effect since yesterday I think and the fine for it was like up to 20% of global revenue if I remember correctly. The EU has enforced GDPR very well so far so I don't doubt them enforcing this.

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  • [–] 78 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not a lawyer, but 99.9999% sure this violates the CFAA. Correct me if I'm wrong? Would t even matter if they included it in EULA or something, 'no reasonable person...'

    This has class action lawsuit written all over it.

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  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    There should be a law that any change of T&C after the purchase of a product gives the customer the option to refuse the terms and get a full refund of that product, no matter how old it is.

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (28 children)

    Well, my next tv won’t have a Roku in it. I was just about to buy one, and if anyone here has any advice on a dumb TV with no built-in smart features, I would really appreciate some suggestions. They’re surprisingly difficult to find nowadays. I’m looking for some thing 43 inches or smaller, 4K or 1080, and nothing special. Preferably very cheap.(I’m poor)

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Most LGs can be set up without internet at all.

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Shit happened to me yesterday. Pissed me off. Bought this TV years ago and suddenly I can't use it until I accept their new arbitration shit. I'm building a stream box and disabling the internet on this thing. I'm sick of ads anyway.

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    [–] 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I have no idea how US contract law works. Even if you agree to something that says "we can alter the deal at any time", when a change happens to the deal, don't both sides have to benefit, rather than "agree to this change so that you can keep the same thing you had before"?

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    I honestly think a lot of these terms of service agreements are legally unenforceable, but they don't get contested in court very often.

    Like if they say "you consented to the arbitration agreement" I could just argue I never physically signed anything and it was actually my 5 year old who agreed so he could watch TV.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    When are the users taking them to court. These guys aren't Nintendo so I expect them to have to fuck themselves.

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    [–] 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    My kid consented. I think. Can she make binding contracts that she doesn't tell me about because she's looking for Blues Clues, or am I responsible for every OK she checks when I'm not present?

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    So legally speaking, what happens if it was my 8 year old son, who clicks buttons with no regard for human life, that agreed to this BS TOS? How is that legally binding?

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You know what. Pirate everything.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    My in-laws have all Roku tvs. I had to go over and "fix" the TV's for them cause they didn't understand what the hell this was. I straight up just gave them my modded Nvidia shields and bought myself some more. Fuck that shit. We need a better open source tv like interface. I've used plasma big screen but it's not ready for normal people with not Linux but fixing experience.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Enshittification continues. I used to evangelize roku bc I want a dumb TV. I guess that's no longer valid.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Between this and Amazon's recent nonsense with Firetv I think next time I'll just buy a generic Android box or something, maybe even a mini PC.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Glad I never connected mine to the internet, I find the interface too laggy and clunky to use the built in streaming apps anyway. It shall remain offline until it dies which is hopefully a long way off.

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