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Biden considering executive action to close southern border, sources say (www.cnn.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I won't rehash my opinions, they already been better said here, but I want to add I hate the phrase "close the border". What the fuck does that mean, was it open, did the last one in forget to close the door?

From the article, he is considering taking action "to restrict migrants’ ability to seek asylum at the US-Mexico border if they crossed illegally" which has a lot more nuance and is important to the discussion. So this will specifically affect people who have a legitimate claim to asylum, the border was never "open" to any migrants without it (or a visa).

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

"Close the border" is ridiculous rhetoric which appeals to far too many of the electorate. Unfortunately, we need to change opinions on the ground before it's no longer viable to use.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

I think that's why framing the debate is so important.

This isn't magically closing the border, this is just adding a new punishment for a small subset of people who cross illegally. Whether or not it will be effective is very debatable (if barbed wire doesn't...)
We should be talking more about the backlog in asylum cases, why aren't we providing adequate funding for the courts to do their job.
Why do we make asylum seekers wait so long to seek asylum and get authorization to work, how does this do anything but place a burden on support systems?

And so on. This isn't about stopping immigration, it's about punishing those who do. [Too] Many will still support that, but it's a harder stance to take.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Why though? It's been proven and shown with many many video recordings that the so-called "border crisis" is completely made up. Yes, there are a lot of people at the border seeking asylum, but it's not a horde of people a la World War Z forming a human tidal wave crashing over the Rio Grande.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago

Because it removes a republican talking point. They're literally playing politics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (10 children)

The GOP has cried wolf so loudly and for so long that now no one believes them.

The US-Mexico border is 1,951 miles long. You can't capture the issue with a video or photograph.

And no, it is not made up. See for yourself. Border encounters spiked hard, but dropped just as hard for January. No idea what's going on there.

In any case, look at the yearly numbers for a better picture. For 2024 we'll easily top 1-million extra migrants over 2021's numbers. Yeah, we got a problem.

How are we to employ and house 3+ million souls? And that's just for 2024. This will require a new major city worth of infrastructure, every year. Don't we bitch about rent pricing around here? Hold onto your butts.

And go tell Denver it's all made up. Dare ya.

https://www.denverpost.com/2024/02/21/denver-budget-cuts-migrant-crisis-recreation-center-hours/

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/02/21/overwhelmed-by-new-arrivals-denver-residents-organize-to-welcome-migrant-populations-decently_6546726_4.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/denver-colorado-migrants.html

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Since many migrants often work construction etc. Perhaps they could be employed to build it. Just a rational stab in the dark here.

And yes we bitch about rent etc. The key thing to understand, is that rent doesn't really have a reason to cost as much as it does. The actual cost of upkeep etc for the buildings and property etc is a fraction of the rent. We've as a society demonized public housing, and largely refused to let any new be built. Or take care of the few that have properly. Because "reasons".

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Perhaps the problem is the word crisis. If you reframe the conversation to say "there are increasing numbers of people attempting to cross the southern border", the stats are pretty plain: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

I don't know if this counts as a CRISIS!!! but it's extremely easy to establish more and more people are crossing the border.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

Im sure the democrats will stand up against this like they did when Trump did it. Lol what a joke.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is clearly an attempt to get elected instead of the orange catastrophe.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Well, let's hope it works.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Democrats moving to the right to try and get republican votes isn't a great strategy. But they'll get to blame the left if they lose, and keep moving to the right if they win. Billionaire donors stay winning.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

In my humble POV I believe closing the border with the #1 business partner of the US isn't a good idea.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That'll bring San Diego to a halt. Nobody can afford to live in San Diego.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (11 children)

"Biden considers vague unspecified action on a subject that over 70% of the American electorate considers a problem, clearly Both Sides are Just As Bad"

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