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I happened to open Instagram and immediately saw there was some drama going on. It appears to be agreed that PlantsFanon had a bad take about Lenin and stood by it when challenged by Sungmanitou. The decolonized Buffalo people allege they went around democratic centralism, brought up nuclear and threatened to wreck. Sungmanitou says they stood by the bad take, repeatedly misgendered them and acted like feds. Who’s in the right here? What would be a good outcome? @[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

idk I have been out of commission with my broken hand all month, they were supposed to air all their grievances on one of their podcasts (lol) but they never released it and claimed Sungmanitu hacked them (lol. lmao even). Apparently they also accused us of taking credit for others work because we actually pay people for labor done for the org where we can (that's part of what the money we raise is for, duh). Communism is when you work for free amirite?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm impressed you typed that all out with just the one hand. Thank you for the update

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

CLN member, biased perspective:

S brought PFs behavior towards them (S) to the IACI internal, the behavior didn't stop as PF made another post rehashing an old argument with S about nuclear power^1^. S again confronted the org about this and demanded an apology from PF on behalf of the partner orgs/communities who saw PFs problematic nuclear take and reached out to S about it. S felt the org was more interested in keeping this a "personal issue" between S and PF rather than poor behavior towards comrades and insensitive public messaging to "get back" at someone and left IACI. S called out certain IACI members in the CLN internal, then in public, for not providing a safe space in the IACI, and not holding members accountable for pro-colonial takes in a formally anti-Colonial educational org, and actually said they'd "wreck anyone who's pro-colonial" as in literally fight individuals, not in the organizational sense. Certain IACI members ran with that as intent to destroy the org alongside claims of "hacking" individuals' Instagram accounts, the evidence, from my personal and biased position, extremely flimsy.

The "dispute" goes beyond that but at that point it's not relevant beyond personal insults. There was no breaking of centralism, IACI is less than 10 people and horizontal. By the time S had gone public they had left the org.

1: Which is a sensitive subject as CLN has a land base in Lakota territory and that land is contaminated by uranium runoff that a dictator assinated 200 people so he could sell the mining rights to a multi-national firm, his GOON squad worked with the feds to destroy the AIM. We also have partners in the Diné, Hawaiian, and Black Australian communities affected by Colonialism that fuels nuclear power.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, what does IACI stand for?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

International Anti-Colonial Institute

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I lurked at their and Rick's Twitter when it all happened. At least looking from outside, I think it mostly boiled down to personal differences between ChunkaLuta and PlantsFanon and ChunkaLuta's belief that the org Rick and PlantsFanon belong to has repeatedly shown favoritism towards PlantsFanon. It doesn't seem to be due to ideological differences, and as far as I'm aware, the organizing work ChunkaLuta is doing had almost nothing to do with the org Rick and PlantsFanon belong to.

Of course, I'm just a bystander, and I don't know the history those two had with each other.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Basically this but there were also accusations from Rick and Plants camp that Sungmanitu used donated funds to hack their instagrams, which is obviously not true. Frankly there was a lot of probes from their side of things

EDIT: the nuclear thing gets into genocide denial also as the Pine Ridge reservations water has been contaminated by runoff from uranium mines

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Not even just the runoff but Dickie Wilson leaving a trail of 200 unsolved murders in 3 years to get the uranium rights sold off

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago