from this translated source: https://junkerhq.net/MGS2gameplan.pdf
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Kojima was fuckin cooking with the plots of the Metal Gear games. Like they're all post 9/11 so its not like he's a psychic but playing MGS2 in 2024 is just like "oh yeah that's just life now"
Him releasing Death Stranding before the covid outbreaks is still one of the wildest things in retrospect lmao
Kojima has the real lathe
Which is actually fantastic because I want fragile’s robo glove scarf
Everybody's gonna get into tactical marionettes and guitar battles now and wearing a V for Vendetta mask over Joker makeup
Honestly that would be less on the nose than meme reality and we’d get cool guitar battles
MGS2 was developed pre-9/11, but you can tell that Kojima was really just putting current events and sentiment into the writing. He's definitely not some kind of prophet, but you do have to give him credit for tackling the subject matter for a video game.
whether or not you like his games, you gotta admit that Kojima is one of the guys with the craziest, most unique ideas in the industry... I don't think there's anybody else that comes even close when you're talking about triple-A games
when you're talking about triple-A games
biggest fucking asterisk in the world
oh absolutely, lots of intensely creative indie game devs out there... it's just that nobody else has the clout and goodwill needed to get the money to make something as ambitious, high profile and patently fucking weird as Death Stranding, or even the MGS games when you think about it, except for Kojima lol
MGS2 released post 9/11, but it was definitely a pre 9/11 product. The entire end of the game had to be reworked because of 9/11 lol.
Metal Gear Solid released well before 9/11 so I'm not sure why that's included.
I don't like MGS4 very much but the infomercials and commercials that play in the beginning pretty much depicted what life would be like today, endless war.
This whole doc is super cool and also funny as fuck.
My favorite bit is right at the beginning:
Title
Metal Gear Solid III
Written as MGSIII for short. The three Roman numerals symbolize the three tallest skyscrapers in Manhattan, the setting for the game.
Instead of proceeding on to MGS2, as one might expect, we are making MGS3. The question in peoples’ minds, ‘Why is it 3 and not 2?’ will have a big impact.
Konami did not let my man breathe. That would have been amazing though if they called it 3 in all the marketing without explaining why. He probably had a kooky idea to make a sequel to a game that never got made, or mess with the idea of sequels in general. MGS2 is already like that. It subverts the player's expectations by suddenly introducing Raiden, and purposefully reiterates the plot beats of the first game.
"I don't hate the people, just the government"
‘The 21st century will be the age of women, when women will protect men’
I really want more "America/The Defense Industry is the baddies" games. Every single COD and Battlefield needs a counter narrative, and MGS2 and Spec Ops: The Line can't be the only two.
Unrelated, design bibles needs to be open-sourced. They are so cool. I read the Batman Animated Series Bible it it was just really cool to see the "why" behind many of the shows production.
come on that's not based in any way. that's just liberal "this wonderful country has been corrupted by sinister forces" bullshit. "festering discharge" and "intangible entity" my ass. All the evil the United States have brought upon this world is by design and on purpose and if you call yourself a commie you should know at least as much. There's no magical good version underneath US and there never has been.
All the evil the United States have brought upon this world is by design and on purpose
This is the way I took "...the country's political structure has created."
I didn't read it as Kojima saying the evil of America is a new phenomena, but rather as something that's always been building up because of the systems in place.
yeah, i get the impression kojima was trying to point to the 'material conditions' of a political system being the source of the problems, rather than any Individual Bad Apples among the Great Men In Charge or any Race Essentialist trait of Americans as a people.
He nearly says as much directly in the content of the game.
To begin with -- we're not what you'd call -- human. Over the past two hundred years -- A kind of consciousness formed layer by layer in the crucible of the White House. It's not unlike the way life started in the oceans four billion years ago. The White House was our primordial soup, a base of evolution -- We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that Americans invoke so often. How can anyone hope to eliminate us? As long as this nation exists, so will we.
"We" being the AI that started as the personification of the mentality of The Patriots who in turn were the people running the American government throughout the 20th Century. (Keep in mind that this version of The Patriots was from before MGS3 and 4 turned them into Cipher/Zero's organization)
One of my big disappointments with MGS4 was how the Patriots were just turned into the cast of MGS3
Mgs3 didn't really do that, and we shall never speak of 4