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I'm so fucking irritable right now, every little thing is annoying me and my chest is tight, I keep clenching my teeth. I'm very familiar with these things, these are how my body is telling me "go smoke a ciggy"

Problem is, I haven't done that for a year and a half. I've had this happen before, sometimes years on into my quittings, its always random and it's always insufferable, like I'm a former psychonaut who accidentally cracked his spine 20 years later. Does this happen to anyone else out there? Any tips? I had a glass of wine but it didn't help take the edge off much

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is an anxiety response, your body is coursing with cortisol, the stress hormone. These exercises should help. I find square breathing to be especially helpful, but everyone's different. https://www.choosingtherapy.com/anxiety-exercises/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Another thing to consider: nicotine accelerates caffeine metabolism. Therefore, if you are feeling irritable and have recently ingested caffeine (coffee, tea, energy drink, etc.) then you can expect a craving for the antidote.

Think of all those folks who used to hang out at coffee shops, smoking cigarets. Up on the cup of coffee, down on the smoke. Just riding the roller-coaster all day.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I haven't smoked in 10+ maybe 15+ years, can't really remember.

I still want a cigarette.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Feel exactly this... Sometimes you just still want one randomly. But 99.999% of the time do not think about it at all anymore

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I've never done any drug or experience as remotely addicting as nicotine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Ever done cheese?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I'm three years in, still want to smoke.

Glad I don't, and the cravings from the first bit aren't as bad, but I still want to.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yea I'm at least 10 years post quitting properly and I'd fucking kill for a ciggie right now.

Not gonna do it, because of all the many, many reasons that they are fucked up. But still.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

I quit well over 15 years ago (after 10 years or so) and I only had cravings for maybe a year or two. After that, smelling smoke just grossed me out. The worst is that I frequently have dreams where I start smoking again and it feels/smells/tastes absolutely horrible and I have to explain to people why I decided to start again. Still a monkey on my back for sure, but at least when I am awake it is the furthest thing from my mind.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Try doing deep breaths. You get the relaxation of inhaling, but no toxic smoke. Avoid the vapes and alcohol. Drink water. Lots!

I quit 24 years ago. And although I don’t have cravings, I sometimes having smoking dreams. So much of it is about breathing to relax.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

I smoked for 20 years. I beat it by successively taking habits away. I quit twice for a year each time and fell back into it at the bar both times.

The first time I went back, I didn't smoke in the house. That was big but I really didn't want my house smelling like that. The second time I didn't smoke in the car... Also a big one.

Then I vaped and successively brought the levels down. Each time it was really hard but my body adjusted. At my last level (3mg), I had bought some 0 for whenever I wanted to take the plunge, and accidentally switched to it. It felt really light on nicotine, but it was only after 3 days that I realized. I decided that was it and kept vaping 0.

It was surprising how badly my body would react if I didn't get my fix. I knew there was no nicotine in there, but boy did I get irritable and jittery if I didn't get my hit. By this time, my first child had been born and I knew I'd have to call it. I was contemplating a date when one night she picked up my device and stuck it in her mouth like she'd seen me do. Threw it all away right then. That was about 7 years ago.

Yea, the smell of cigarette smoke is nice and I can still remember the feeling of that first one in the morning with a coffee. The worst I do now is an occasional cigar, but I make sure it's never repetitive or a lot.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Quit for 7 years. Didn't miss it for a second after the first week. Starting again was the worst mistake of my life. Hold fast. You'll regret it if you go back. Quitting a second time seems much harder.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I do, the longer it's been the shorter they are (almost 10 years now). My trigger is seeing someone, usually in a TV or movie, take that long, exaggerated drag.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Oooh. That's a big one. I'll be fine and suddenly halfway through a movie: "Smoke break?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Quit coffin nails five years ago after 15 years. Maybe a couple times a month after work I think about how good a cigarette would be right now

Except maybe ten percent of those times I'll actually bum one from a coworker and it's never ever ever as good as I imagine it'll be in the moment. I bum them less and less because it keeps getting harder to pretend it'll be as good as it used to

So in essence I guess I actually quit pretty effectively overall

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

I did in the first 3 or so years, but now I don't have any cravings at all. I'm now 17 years on from quitting and it has gotten better over time.

I found spite a great tool for keeping emotional investment. The tobacco companies are all steeped in slavery, abuse, scientific fraud, and general indifference to the suffering of others. Those companies are trying very hard to get kids addicted, to insulate themselves from legal accountability, and to stop governments from phasing smoking out. They are evil if that word is going to mean anything and if I am going to be able to do anything about them it is withholding my business.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I quit smoking by switching to vape about 12 years ago. I had smoked a pack and a half of Marlboro reds a day for 30 years prior to that. After 30+ years of being hooked on the coffin nails I found a way out and I (and my family) are so grateful.

I still have my nicotine fix, obviously, but I am so much less a slave to it. It used to be that I could not imagine being without a box of Marlboros and a lighter if I was leaving the house. Now, I don't think twice about heading out for a few hours with no vape (nicotine) with me...it's just not that important.

I will probably always ingest nicotine in one form or another (vape, gum, patch), as I do caffeine. I no longer feel like I am controlled by it thanks to vaping.

Give alternatives a try.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Vapes actually turned out to be worse for me, something about having the freedom to do it just wherever really shot my nicotine dependance up. Definitely easier on my lungs but oof, glad they work well for you though

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Almost 3 years after quiting a heavy 26 years habit. I quit cold turkey.

Currently being forced to move having no income and no social circle and family is distant.

Super proud I haven't broken yet. I want one ALL THE DAMN TIME.

I use physical exercise to help me get through my cravings.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

If a random internet stranger's comment means anything to you... keep it up dude!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

I quit about ten years ago and maybe once a year I'll get a craving but overall, not really.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm one of those people who has never really stopped having cravings. It only gets bad when I'm really stressed but it is low key there 24/7.

Thankfully, it's only really a battle when I'm stressed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hey I just want to share,a thought I had about the nature of stress that has helped me reframe a lot in my life, maybe it'll help you or somebody else

We know scientifically that stress hormones speed up our aging. So stressing is literally life at 2x. If you're like me, and 95% of the rest of us, then you have to earn a paycheck/ ,have to sell your labor for finances. If you're like the 75% of us that's one missed paycheck, or one t-boning that you're 100% the victim for but still spend weeks in the hospital just to end up evicted but still like 5 years from any insurance payout (murica), and you're stressing your bills...does the stressing over a debt to a faceless, soulless corporation lower your interest rate? Will the stressing and mental berating you submit yourself too erase those overdraft fees? If you're stressing over these kind of 'faceless' things you're literally spending your life double time, but...they don't accept that kind of currency.

If anything, the time lost to stress is also time thats twice lost because you could've been working towards a quickfix if not a perm solution.

All I'm saying, is don't spend your hours on things that don't appreciate them. I will never get upset at a phone company or utility or whatever's behest and torture myself for them. They don't care about any of us, it's high time we stopped caring about them too.

Try it out. Refuse to stress for a few days. Does life fall apart then? The biological imperative of the day is to simply survive, if youve done that, you're already winning. Don't let the faceless steal your thunder. ✌️

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Alright so I quit vaping the Easy Way, and they explained to me that nicotine withdrawals are pretty much entirely psychological. It's the "I want a vape, I can't have one, AHHHHH!" feeling. Once you realize that you actually don't want a vape because it does absolutely nothing for you and is complete waste of time, money, and energy, you won't get irritable because you don't want to vape. The physical withdrawal symptom- there is just one- is just an empty hungry feeling, and it goes away entirely after about 72 hours.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Quit cold turkey in 2017 after 30 years of pack a day. More if drinking. Tried vaping, just ended up being a way to smoke more.Got a gnarly case of pneumonia and wadded up everything I had left for smoking and threw it all in the trash. No cravings anymore but I still dream about it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes but then I remember the taste and the craving vanishes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

My grandfather quit smoking after 70 years (he started when he was 6) and lived another 30 years. Apparently he would dream about smoking till he died, and they never smelled nasty to him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

On the contrary, i hate the smell way more than my have-never-smoked peers.

I quit cold-turkey ages ago, after a decade as a pack-a-day smoker.

I never missed cigarettes, never really craved them except when binge drinking. But i quit that too, mostly. By the time I quit, I absolutely hated the smell and taste, so that helped a lot. It caused me to just avoid places where I'd encounter lots of smokers. Bans in restaurants and bars helped a lot.

edit: one key being that when I quit, I didn't like smoking. I didn't want to be a smoker anymore. So I stopped thinking of myself as a smoker.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Yes - to the extent I no longer have Sunday roast dinner. Every time I'd just crave a cheeky smoke after a big ol satisfying meal. It's been several years and I know I'd end up coughing up a lung and it'd taste like shit but that fleeting thought doesn't care about that.. It's just the enshrined idea of a 'nice' smoke after a roast.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

i often have cravings, especially when i'm angry or drinking beer, then i remembering myself how double hangover feels like and whole this stench

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I quit Easter Sunday, 1996. I don’t have any cravings when I’m awake, but I have dreams where I’m pulling a packet of cigarettes from my pocket, buying cigarettes, smoking, noticing that I only have a few left in my packet. Something’s going on subconsciously, not sure if it’s cravings or something else.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I have dreams like this too. In mine, I've always been coerced by friends to "just have 1" and then I do and I feel really guilty about it. Then I wake up feeling guilty for something I didn't even do. I'm glad it's only happening in my dreams!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I smoked daily for about ten years. I got off the cigarettes and smoked e-cigs (no one called it vaping, then) for another year or two, then quit cold turkey without much issue and only the occasional minor relapse thanks to my significant other continuing the habit for a few years after I quit before she quit, too. That was about fifteen years ago, and I don't crave them at all anymore. The smell is actually a huge turn off for me, now. I can't believe I ever thought I was fooling anyone into not knowing I was a smoker. That shit seeps into everything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

It gets less and less but will never go away. The frequency and intensity of craving diminish, but it can still sneak up on you.

I had one occasion where I spent some time in a smoky environment, and didn't smoke myself. Next day the cravings where back full blow, through secondary smoke.

So what I do now if I get cravings is think back to how long ago it's been since I've had them, is nice to feel those horrible clutches lose their grasp over you. It does take dedication and time though and you're never truly free of them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Months absolutely. Years, very rarely. But wild that it still happens like 8 years later. Even though I rather dislike the smell now.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I used to smoke a shit ton of pot and never smoked cigarettes. I did grow up in a home where 4 people smoked a pack a day inside.

Yeah I sometimes get cravings for pot even 9 years later

And for the first couple years after I moved out of that place I was craving cigarettes sometimes

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

No. I actually find the idea of doing it again pretty disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey OP, how ya doing? Try any advice? Anything help?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I smoked about 20 a day for nearly 20 years, and gave up the stinkies about 12 years ago. Switched to vaping and then gave up that and nicotine about 8 years ago.

Even after all this time, about once a year my brain tells me it’s time for a smoke break. I don’t think I’m craving a fag, just the downtime and doing something else with my hands/brain/time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Does this happen to anyone else out there?

No, you're completely unique and utterly alone in that uniqueness. Tragic, really. RIP.

Any tips?

Is $5 too little?

Okay enough jokes. Yes, every other addict ever gets craving symptoms down the road, but they'll clear up soon.

In rehab, doc taught me something that's remarkably powerful and yet insanely simple: BHALTS. Are you Bored? Hungry? Angry? Lonely? Tired? Stressed? All those make cravings worse and make relapse more likely, especially since we're talking about the thing we used to do to avoid dealing with those feelings properly.

If anything on that checklist checks out, attend to it ASAP. You'll be shocked how quickly the cravings leave your body.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Once a junkie, always a junkie. At least for me with nicotine. The cravings have never gone away. I just learn to live with them and not think about them too often. It gets easier with time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I still vape but I haven't had a real cigarette in almost a decade and I still get cravings for them when I'm stressed. Whenever I think about buying a pack I try to remember waking up coughing up phlegm every morning, getting winded from even a little bit of exercise, and how I used to get sick way more often and I can talk myself out of it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Essentially the same story and timeframe, but no independent cravings. I do occasionally smell one, a good one that takes me right back to high school. Those are the only tempting moments for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I’ve tried them a few times over the years when out at bars when my vape died, after vaping for.. fuck since like 2009 or so? Real early on. Can’t manage to give up that habit but.. meh.

They are quite honestly terrible. Super sickening (like wicked strong urge to vomit on the first small drag even if you don’t fully inhale it sort of sickening) because they are so so much stronger than a vape. Plus they taste like shit. Very unappealing to actually do after quitting so long ago. So you can add that to your reasons not to do it. :)

I had way more of an issue the first time I quit, made it like just over a year and it was easy to go back. This is much different.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

A few thoughts from someone who quit about 10 years ago.

First, Congratu fucking lations! You quit! That is a BIG GODDAMN DEAL. I hope you appreciate that and celebrate it.

I am very happy that I quit. There is little doubt in my mind that I would be much less healthy now if I still smoked.

Quitting smoking was just the first step on a path to better health. I used the money I saved to buy a Vitamix and a rowing machine. Keep going beyond quitting.

If you must have nicotine do it as safely as you can. I got a prescription for nicotine inhalers. Vaping is better than smoking, etc. If you fall off the wagon, it does not have to be permanent.

Use ANYTHING that MIGHT help you. Rub a worry stone, mastrubate, chew gum, cinnamon oil toothpicks, stress ball, play video games.

The discomfort will not last forever. It will get better.

Best wishes. Keep up the great work!

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