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It's some sort of Elvish (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 7 months ago (6 children)

This is why we should make sure to vote in every election, not just the presidential one. It's about preventing fascists from getting there in the first place by weeding out their support system.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The tendrils of fascism are already in the government. Voting will not solve that. It will do harm reduction, but it's no panacea to the long engrained fascism in this country.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Voting is not sufficient, but it is necessary

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

It's the least effective and simultaneously most vital civil action.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Those reading this should stop and consider why anyone would discourage you from voting.

[+] [email protected] -15 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Those reading this should stop and consider why capital would encourage you to vote.

I will reiterate that you can vote if you want to, but it will not defeat fascism, only organization and action will. Please, prove me wrong.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh, that’s easy.

I want you to vote because last time we let Republicans win they stacked the Supreme Court the way we all said they would before the election and my wife and daughter’s lives got more dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I did vote, and will vote Joe Biden again. And my wife and daughter’s lives got more dangerous too. But that will not be enough to stop the fascism that’s here. The Republicans will continue to consolidate power and they will win more elections. Voting will never be enough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Well I’m down with that. Voting does not preclude you from doing other things.

I’m touchy from all of my time on Reddit leading up to elections. SHITLOADS of comments and posts seemingly suggesting that we shouldn’t even bother voting.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah from what I see they normally meet every "go vote" with "voting isn't the best way to do this", but forget to include a "however, it's the only real way short of a full revolution to prevent the worse"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

It will - ifanything - only delay the worst and will draw attention away from building towards a revolution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Look at OP's posting history, and they are one of them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You got me. My 7 month account is the reason Hillary lost to Trump. It was me. And when Trump wins in 10 months, or Tucker Carlson in ‘28, or Nick Fuentes in ‘32, also me. I’m the reason.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you not see how saying "Voting doesn't work" might encourage people to not vote, or do you think pointing at nebulous solutions with no defined call-to-action generates community participation?

Put a link to an organization that you think will help, and ask them if they think voting does nothing.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That wasn’t the point of the meme. But to assuage criticism of depressing the vote, I hereby endorse Claudia De la Cruz for President.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I did vote, and will vote Joe Biden again. And my wife and daughter’s lives got more dangerous too. But that will not be enough to stop the fascism that’s here. The Republicans will continue to consolidate power and they will win more elections. Voting will never be enough.

Which is it?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago

Well, now I’m not voting just to spite you.;(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Voting for liberals over fascists will buy more time to organize and slow the descent into fascism. You're correct, it won't stop it, but if your analysis stops right there and you don't take every easy win you can in the fight against Capital, you're LARPing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

At some point; the left is going to have to recognize that climate change necessitates an expeditious transition. The sooner, the better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Yes, so not voting will make it certain that we never get the chance to transition. Voting alone won't work, just like grassroots organizing alone won't work. Both can work, but only together.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pinochet, the dictator who assassinated the elected president and violently took over Chile with US assistance was removed from power by a vote. For years his political opponents had even been sent to concentration camps that are still around to this day.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Chilean_presidential_referendum#:~:text=A%20referendum%20on%20whether%20Augusto,a%2Dhalf%2Dyear%20rule.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Forgot to mention that the coup was on Spetemer 11, 1973. Pinochet had been in power for about 15 years by the time the vote happened.

In order to help get the youth to vote No and end Pinochet's reign, the campaign created a pop song.

https://youtu.be/IFAMpW0hPNY?si=tO-glfpypVv_GV3P

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago

Great. You proved me wrong. Now I don’t have to worry about fascism in America now. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago

Then this election in America is not a big deal and it won’t matter if we vote third party. Right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The least people vote only helps the fascists

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't lose anything by voting so you might as well do that at least.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Voting is great. but when the whole landscape is shifting, you cant vote your way out of a narly political regime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

That's how Chile got rid of Pinochet

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Vote? Shit we're just about at eugenics for this problem.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Thanks. At least someone recognizes the threat we face.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

“Stringing up from lampposts” worked really well at the end of WWII.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Now this is a message I would support projecting on the moon 😹

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