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[–] [email protected] 78 points 10 months ago (12 children)

a backwoods facility completely failed to perform the activity correctly. they tortured this guy to death, either because they are morons, or they are evil. pick one. but it wasnt the methods fault.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

nunca atribuyas a la malicia lo que se explica adecuadamente por la estupidez

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (32 children)

There was no way to perform the execution correctly. N2 asphyxiation makes no sense as an execution method -- it will only be painless if the person didn't realize what was about to happen or if they were cooperative. If not, it'll mean the person will fight until death. They will be put in a situation of endlessly expanding pain until they can bear it no more.

The idea that an execution method is humane if it would be painless for a cooperative victim, ignoring the experience that will be had be an uncooperative victim, is just... really dumb. It's incredibly dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago (4 children)

State-sanctioned murder is never ok.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, but nobody is doing anything about it until now when it's actually the way I specifically want to die because of how painless it is.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There's nothing described here that is inconsistent with "he held his breath as long as possible".

That is the major flaw with this method of execution. The person can choose to hold their breath and be absolutely miserable for several minutes before they involuntarily breathe in the nitrogen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Show me an untrained person that can hold their breath “for several minutes”.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

I probably could if, y'know, my life depended on it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Me. It seems to vary a lot, but I managed to get 2 and a half minutes a few months ago. Most of the time I average about a minute though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Do I count as untrained if it's just my fetish and hobby?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Pretty much everyone can.

Most people stop when it starts to hurt, but it takes several minutes of holding your breath before you pass out.

Please do just like, a hair of research before saying random shit like it's true.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Smith began to shake and writhe violently, in thrashing spasms and seizure-like movements, at about 7:58 p.m. The force of his movements caused the gurney to visibly move at least once. Smith’s arms pulled against the against the straps holding him to the gurney. He lifted his head off the gurney the gurney and then fell back.

Fucking barbaric.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

FWIW, this is exactly what lethal injection would look like if we didn't load the condemned up with muscle tranquilizers. Turns out, the body doesn't take kindly to being killed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yes, lethal injection is just to make the spectators feel peaceful. It’s horrible for the person receiving it.

There is no need in the 21st century for any government to execute its citizens. It’s not the 1500s anymore. There’s no excuse, other than barbarism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Well we could always OD them on morphine. But the cruelty is the point.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (14 children)

I have a feeling that they botched it if it was so violent. It's also common for people to be given/take sleeping pills to prevent spasms.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The US is such a backward-ass country in so many ways.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

What are the chances that the preferred method for assisted suicide in some countries is “cruel and unusual punishment”?

Should we allow the state to kill people? No.

Is this particular method the least cruel/painful? I think that’s likely.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Is this particular method the least cruel/painful? I think that’s likely.

This method can be the "least cruel". The coverage on this story kind of sucks. Apparently they didn't allow for a way for CO2 to escape this he felt the sensation of suffocating as it happened. Had they done that or just flooded the whole room with nitrogen then it would be the "least cruel" method of execution.

I put "least cruel" in quotes because on this issue we tend to mash cruelty in with messiness even though they have nothing to do with each other. Shotgun to the upper brain stem (or something like it ) is probably the truly least cruel method. No time for suffering, consciousness just ends.

We could also just not do capital punishment but that's not happening so here we are.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Obligatory:

The False Evolution of Execution Methods

Edit: wtf…..

Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall, however, characterized it on Friday as a “textbook” execution.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

The textbook requires cruelty.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

"Humane" execution isn't good, not only because execution is bad, and the pretense of a more humane method is just sugar coating, but also like 95% of people in support of death penalty just want to see a human being killed, with almost all of them are angry at how it's doesn't involve torture. The worst of this kind legit fantasize about murdering PoC kids as bloodsport, under the pretense of "upholding the law".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

At least they can just suck all the nitrogen back out of him if they find that there was a miscarriage of justice later on.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

For fuck’s sake. Are you telling me Americans, of all people Americans, are now too stupid to kill?

What’s with these crazy new execution methods? Just shoot the guy. It’s not like you didn’t have a hundred thousand cops trained to kill on sight.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Abolish capital punishment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're not accustomed to shooting actual criminals.

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