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It’s republicans grandstanding to impress their racist base.
It’s technically sedition and if democrats wanted to they could arrest or kill them all, but they are cowards.
So instead it will just blow over. It’s nothing. It will lead to nothing. It’s just stupid pandering for racist scum.
It’s technically sedition and if democrats wanted to they could arrest or kill them all, but they are cowards.
The echos of the Buchanan administration are palpable.
The echos of JDAMs hitting Texas National Guard positions should be audible. : (
Wouldn't even be necessary: the best parallel is Alabama using its National Guard to block school integration, then Eisenhower federalizing the Guard and eventually arresting the governor when he physically stood in the way.
Even such an obvious precedent that would involve zero violence is apparently too much for Biden to handle.
It’s nothing.
It's a demonstration that the US federal government does not exist in any meaningful sense. That's not nothing and very soon it'll lead to things that are even more not nothing
Its something and nothing at the same time. It is yet another demonstration that the fed government doesn't want/can't govern, and it is a constitutional crisis. But the actors involved are only pushing this for pandering/grandstanding for electoral ends. They aren't pushing this to actually secceed or push any political agenda beyond elections. That's what makes it nothing.
Its the same way Jan 6 was nothing because even though it was inserectionist the peoppe there had no clue what they were doing beyond the spectacle of it and what they were doing was never going to matter beyond spectacle.
I agree that the implications are down the line. That's how cynical pandering to the chud base has always worked. Its hard to say when any of this will lead to an actual "something" though. Eventually yeah the chuds aren't going to be happy until they order the national guard to open fire on the feds, but at that point even the base is still only politically engaged in that spectacle and not its implications. That's why people at Jan 6th thought they could just fly home like nothing happened, because they are completely detached and unaware of the implications.
Every dem voter is going to get an email citing it as more evidence that Democracy Is On The Ballot and demanding more donations.
"The South is rising in revolt and I am doing everything I can to encourage them. Here's why I need you to open your wallet and pour out the last few pathetic copper fennigs stuck to a piece of gum in the bottom to aid my path to the white house where I will make your life measurably worse"
Better than any Biden pitch I’ve heard so far
Yeah. It's sedition. The feds should have everyone involved, at minimum, gitmo'd, if not hung. It's a big deal. This is balkanization/civil war stuff. The feds have total, unambiguous authority over the border and the states have zero, zip, nada.
It's wild they haven't moved to shooting yet. BLM faced more persecution blocking a road to ask for police reform. These hogs are doing such a fundamentally illegal thing that a whole civil war was fought to decide the very issue of state authority and Biden doesn't know whether to kiss them on the lips or give them all of their demands. The democrats could have had a huge groundswell of support for any action they take like they did with January 6th, but they've spent the last three years trying to prove to republicans that their border policy is just as fascistic. All of the orgs dedicated to that issue are now vote machines for the democrats or are opposed to them.
If the feds do something like Waco or Ruby Ridge they don't have my support. If they do that level of violence here, that's the clearest case for its justified use to the broadest number of people. I'd clap like I did on January 6th whenever anyone on either side got what they both deserve.
It goes back at least as far as O'Bummer, too. His border policy was "I am going to do everything the fascists demand because then they will like me and invite me to their tea parties." Sucks. the democrats never had a solution to the GOP. idk. Bunch of wack ass fucking model UN losers. You can't fight fascism with a more borng, pedantic, multicultural fascism, it turns out.
6 states siding against a supreme court decision to deny access to federal authorities seems big,
25 now
Over a completely fictitious, made up, bullshit "crisis" that doesn't exist and, I cannot stress this enough, is fake.
Do you think they factored in rising food prices caused by scaring off all the migrant farm labor as a calculated way to make Muricans poorer and more miserable so they'll blame it on Joe?
Right now it's political theater, but it's planting the seeds for something in the future to be more than just theater
exactly and unfortunately it does set the table for some nasty shit. not like 1860's civil war as so many envision it though. the fort sumter in this case is much more likely to be something like a wave of pickup truck pogroms in minority areas and the local/state pigs basically refuse to investigate themselves.
No it hasn't happened in our lifetimes. This should be massive. It is a constitutional crisis, technically. But none of the parties are engaging in this for those reasons. It is 100 percent pandering and grandstanding, and is only about bullshit electoral agendas. So it probably won't actually be anything, even though it is technically massive lol
Edit: the only important impact could be later on down the line. Like every escalation of cynical Republican pandering to their genuine fascist base. Eventually the hogs won't be happy until they order tge national guard to open fire on feds. Which will be mostly hilarious when it first happens. Itll be another Jan 6 kind of thing where its technically treason, but no one involved understands what they are actually doing or than it is treason or what comes next. They're just in it for the spectacle with no actual politics or understanding of the implications of the thing they're howling for
I do wonder when someone who truly has ambitions of being a real warlord or autocrat will appear.
I can guarantee you that no balkanization is going to happen in the US.
Why? Because this is no longer the time period where individual states can build up their gold reserves as a store of their wealth. No, the US dollar is unparalleled in history in the sense that it allows the US to get “free lunches” from all over the world with junk papers.
I love quoting from this article from 2022 because the Californian finance department accidentally revealed a very crucial fact:
If you look at all of the personal income tax returns that were filed in California in the year 2020, just 1% of the total number of income tax returns that were filed were responsible for more than 49% of all of the personal income tax that was paid in that year. And unlike most of us who get our income from wages and salaries, that very narrow band of taxpayers derives a lot of their income from things like capital gains, stock markets [and] bonuses that are tied to corporate or stock performance. So when the markets are doing very well, those individuals are doing very well and state revenues are doing very well. Conversely, when the markets go south, their fortunes don't do very well and the state's revenues decline as a result.
Let’s parse this paragraph: California, the richest state in the US, derives much of its tax revenues from capital gains such as stocks and bonds. Yeah, good luck losing access to the dollar, if any US state even dares to contemplate about seceding for real. Their wealth and living standards are going to plunge overnight. Good luck with that.
Just because it'd be irrational for it to happen, doesn't mean it won't happen
This is just the equivalent of rich kids who live off their parents’ wealth throwing tantrum. At the end of the day, nobody dares to cut ties from the family wealth. Sure, some might be crazy enough to do it, but most of the time it doesn’t end well for them.
No country is ever going to give up the dollar just to trade with Texas. Literally nobody. This is how the US impose its sanctions and embargo against Cuba and all the Bad Countries.
100-150 years ago it would be a real event but now it's some bullshit we're all going to forget about in a month
We're having these false "existential threats to our democracy" crises with such frequency and regularity now that everyone will be too desensitized to the warnings when the actual threat does arise.
The libs will probably use it as fuel in their woke scolding about voting blue no matter who. Gotta preserve democracy 🙏 Hillary 2024
And we can all say "yea it's an example of how Biden is literally not going to do a single goddamn thing even if multiple states explicitly say they're ignoring the federal government to be cruel to vulnerable minorities"
I'm not if libs appreciate how bad this is going to hurt him, not great to be the guy who supports genocide abroad and is doing literally nothing to stop the fascists at home.
This has the potential to be the tankie Biden moment, but he's only militant about doing violence to foreigners.
My money is on this being the thing that directly causes the US to balkanize, and only because it seems to be against the hexbear main consensus. This site was wrong about the invasion of Ukraine, I think this is going to be Hexbear tradition.
Wrong about the beginning of events, but correct about their trajectory once they have begun
But often only because we go "No, that won't happen, that would be stupid and counterproductive for the West" but then they just do the thing anyway and so we just go "...okay, well, they're gonna lose then"
Ever since Ukraine, my partner scoffs whenever I say “nothing major is going to happen.” I can’t say they’re wrong
I had a large discussion with some colleagues about there not "being anything going on in Ukraine" because they had finally, after weeks/months of scaremongering, picked up on the news that "something was going to happen in Ukraine".
This argument took place on february the 24th. I had not heard the news because I had finally tuned out, because nothing was going to happen lol. I literally said "I'll call it a war when there's tanks rolling into Ukraine!" Not knowing that at that moment, tanks were rolling into Ukraine.
Ukraine is like the only thing this site has been wrong about, and that's only because we forgot the number one rule -- the stupidest thing that can happen is the one most likely to happen
I think anyone who thinks this is going to cause the US to balkanize needs to step outside for at least 3 hours. Screenshot this comment and feel free to @ me in 2-6 months when the current state of affairs has led nowhere.
The most recent example of something similar I can think of is Eisenhower ordering the national guard in to force Arkansas to allow Ruby Bridges into a previously all white school. Of course, that that had a much narrower physical scope than the border. I don’t think the number of states whining means that much as several of them aren’t Mexico land border states so as a practical matter they’re just complaining/engaging in political theater.
Actual enforcement of the Supreme Court order is a mixed bag. It’s easy enough to have the feds reclaim specific crossing sites, and as this is more about political theater I think Abbot will buckle before actually telling the Texas National Guard to fire upon federal agents (and for that matter, those guardsmen risking themselves like that in the name of an election year stunt). The larger border with the razor wire is a different story as it’s easy for Abbot to send people back in to replace the wire after the feds remove it, and the federal government might decide it’s not worth the cost to keep removing it.
Why remove the wire when you can just remove abbot
UwU I’m just a widdle pwesident of amewikkka what do you expect me to doooo
If they actually do secede, then every country in the world needs to immediately invade them on the side of the US and secure the nukes
no nukes for the new south. say no to nuclear proliferation!
A coalition of Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, and several other south and Central American countries invading a newly independent Texas to resubsume into Mexico would be absolutely hilarious.
It's going to be a huge load of nothing. Just like Jan 6th was nothing, just like the Bundy Ranch standoff was nothing, just like the Malheur Wildlife Center occupation was nothing. Biden doesn't have the cojones to do anything decisive about it, doubly so because it's an election year.
Probably it'll blow over in a couple of weeks. The feds next step for things like this is usually to find something they fund and pull funding...probably in this case they could just pull any border funding they give to Texas, and that would be enough for Texas to say "fuck it, we can't buy more razor wire without the funds" and give it up. That's almost always how these things end up.
If not, next step would be to use force, which at worst would result in a minor skirmish at one or two spots between the local forces and the feds. The local forces would lose that fight pretty much immediately. I would guess most of them are all talk and as soon as the feds roll up with tanks and start shooting, they'll give up because they'd rather not die for some stupid border skirmish. The feds may not even have to shoot, what tools do the local forces have to stop an APC from just running over the razor wire? The die hards might stick around and they would die, hard. Perhaps there will be some token fall guy somewhere that spends a long time in jail afterwards, we don't know about him yet because he's not going to be anyone relevant. Nobody that matters will be punished for this in any capacity, just a few local goons will die and some middle manager soldier type will be made an example of.
Either way it ends with Texas and their allied states using this as yet another campaign talking point to show how the fed is doing le government overreach, push their agenda as usual, and the racists will eat it the fuck up forever. There's no way in hell this is anything more than a political stunt, even if it gets a few folks at the border shot by the feds. A small price to pay for the GOP to push their agenda. Sure, their stunts are getting flashier and flashier because they need to, but the GOP doesn't want to balkanize so there's no way it'll go that far.
