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[–] 203 points 3 years ago (90 children)

I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy

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  • [+] 78 points 3 years ago (45 children)
  • [–] 76 points 3 years ago* (32 children)

    it's about the scale at which these items are consumed - eating meat every day was pretty much unheard of until the advent of capitalism

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago (25 children)

    Was it capitalism or was it refrigeration?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    In some circumstances you’re absolutely right. In many parts of the word, meat was either scarce or difficult to preserve. In other parts of the word, some peoples survived almost exclusively on animal products. The natives on Alaska are the first that come to mind.

    Of course “meat” was a very important part of their diet, they relied heavily on organ meats for their essential vitamins and nutrients. They were significantly more humane and less wasteful than we are today.

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  • [+] 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (27 children)
  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.

    Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.

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    [–] 106 points 3 years ago*

    I am extremely sure if you make a burger by yourself with good ingredients it will be just as healthy.

    Beware of the added sugars in things that aren't supposed to have that much sugar.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (17 children)

    *calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*

    wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.

    Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children)

    It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.

    In terms of pure health, there's not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.

    Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.

    EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There's really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn't the right way to fight that battle.

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    [–] 43 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Of course. The unhealthiness of food is an emergent property arising from the arrangement of their constituents components relative to each other. The next time you have a burger and want to be healthy, just take it apart! Taps head

    In all seriousness, for anyone confused by this, whether or not something is healthy for you is all about quantities and ratios. Specifically, that of your diet as a whole, not of individual items. So while I don't agree with this sentiment, burgers can be considered unhealthy because:

    • There is very little vegetables in relation to meat and bread
    • It is very calorically dense
    • Red meat is considered by many to be unhealthy in its own right, and burgers tend to have a lot of that
    • It is usually consumed with large portions of fries and drinks or other sides that are also very calorically dense with little diversity in micronutrients
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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    I'm sick of people claiming calorie dense food is unhealthy. It's not. Calories are required for your body to function. An adult needs 2000kcal per day; whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference. Eating the amount of calories of a hamburger every day is nothing special, especially if you do sports regularly.

    This comment was made by the <20 BMI gang.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    Only thing wrong with calorie dense food is that people eat too much. Guess you could add ignorance in there as well. Pretty shocking when you look at the numbers on the menu.

    Not that people actually look. They got every excuse in the world for being fat, except the big one, placing calories in their mouth.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Coming from the >30 BMI gang, a lot of the food in the West (especially the United States but a lot of other countries are having this problem too) has a shit-ton of calories and very few other nutrients. That's the biggest problem with caloric density, when food has a lot of calories and no nutrients it encourages either obesity or nutrient deficits.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago

    I always thought it was the proportions that weren't healty. You get 50% bread, 50% meat, with a tiny slice of lettuce in the middle.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago*

    Ratios and amount are the most important thing in healthy eating. For reference, vegetables should be more than half your food intake, the rest split between whole-grain carbs and protein (either meat or plant based) in order to be healthy. And we need to pay attention to how much total food we eat too since our monkey brains that evolved under extreme food scarcity don't do a good job of moderating nutrient input.

    No I can't keep myself to that either.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It's really not the burger that's unhealthy, but the fries and soda you get with them

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    [–] 19 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (12 children)

    I'm fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:

    • if you eat carbs, fats beyond what is necessary to eat, are unhealthy
    • If you don't eat carbs you need to eat fats, some fats are better than others
    • If you don't eat carbs and you don't eat fats you starve - to thin then to death
    • Sugar is unhealthy and wrecks your teeth
    • Highly processed foods are not healthy
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    [–] 17 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    White bread, cheese (at least not the one on burgers) and red meat aren’t exactly known as healthy foods. Definitely not in the proportions of a burger. Even more definitely not when you boil the meat in oil (often together with the onions).

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    Replace meat with bean burger

    Replace cheese with guacamole or other sauce

    Replace white bread with whole grain bread

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    [–] 11 points 3 years ago (23 children)

    Yeah, I've never understood why burgers are unhealthy if beef, grain, and vegetables are healthy.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    First of all there's a huge gap between home made hamburger and, well, anything else tbh. Actually, let's expand it, there's a huge difference between home made anything and any other kind of food, be it restaurant or assembly line made.

    Backing up a little though, if you make a hamburger at home, with lean good quality beef that you grind up yourself or ask them to grind it for you at the counter, lots of veggies and very little oil, on a home made bun or on actual bread (the kind made with flour, water and salt, that's it), then it's quite healthy. Still wouldn't eat it more than once a week since red meat yada-yada, but still, not that bad.

    What you get at a fast food though is very low quality meat with lots of fats, dipped in other fats, sugar and spices to mask the flavor, processed bread, processed cheese, very little veggies and, usually, a side of french fries and a soda, which are a meal onto themselves. Let's take McDonald's, looking at their website a quarter pounder is 500+ kCal, the medium fries are 300+ kCal and a medium coke is 200+ kCal. That's 1000+ kCal for a "meal" full of fats, sugar and processed food. Also it's a huge spike in insuline which will lead you to a huge crash just a few hours later leaving you hungry and craving for more.

    Restaurants are also a bit guilty of this. They tend to add much more fats than you'd ever do at home in order to drastically improve the flavor of their dishes. Can't even fault them for it, if I wanted a bland healthy meal, I'd have eaten at home. If I'm going to the restaurant it's because I want a great tasting dish. Ready made meals you can get at a supermarket are also full of fats, vegetable oils and preservatives in order to mask the shitty flavor.

    So at the end of the day I'd say the best thing is to avoid as much as possible processed foods, avoid all take outs and deliveries, go out to eat maximum once a week and cook all your meals yourself starting with simple ingredients. It's not that hard either and cooking can be fun.

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    [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Step one is to ask yourself what you think healthy means. Generally it's used as a catch-all by people to justify whatever shitty diet they have.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It's really only unhealthy if you're eating that every time you eat. And mostly what makes it unhealthy is the fat/lean ratio. Hamburgers usually use fattier hamburger. You can make them with leaner meat tho. They just don't taste nearly as good.

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