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[–] 203 points 3 years ago (90 children)

I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy

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  • [+] 78 points 3 years ago (45 children)
  • [–] 76 points 3 years ago* (32 children)

    it's about the scale at which these items are consumed - eating meat every day was pretty much unheard of until the advent of capitalism

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago (25 children)

    Was it capitalism or was it refrigeration?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    If I were to be fair then my answer would be neither as I don't believe capitalism is forcing us to consume meat and there was methods to conserve meat for long periods of time before refrigeration was a thing.

    I guess meat can be healthy. What certainly isn't healthy is highly processed meat like burgers, hot dogs and deep fried turkey

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    capitalism has led to never before seen economies of scale, allowing for dirt cheap food prices never before seen in history. if we were to look at capitalism through that metric and that metric only then it would be wildly popular...

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  • Both. Refrigeration is what allows us to store and (I would argue more importantly) transport large amounts of meat, and is as such essential to the industry. However, Capitalism is also key to the meat industry because its lobbyists constantly push for meat subsidies, which is the main reason meat is cheap enough to be something we have every meal instead of once every couple of days.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    In some circumstances you’re absolutely right. In many parts of the word, meat was either scarce or difficult to preserve. In other parts of the word, some peoples survived almost exclusively on animal products. The natives on Alaska are the first that come to mind.

    Of course “meat” was a very important part of their diet, they relied heavily on organ meats for their essential vitamins and nutrients. They were significantly more humane and less wasteful than we are today.

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  • [+] 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (27 children)
  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    Although high in nutrients, the difficulty in digestion makes it a carciogen. Particularly red meat - bird and fish (pre omnipresent plastics and heavy metals) are relatively healthier.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    That's sorta half the story. The official statement is that consistently eating more than 1.5lbs (500g) of red meat per week "probably" (their word) increases your cancer risk. The real story is that eating more than 50g of processed meat per week dramatically increases your cancer risk. To the extent that processed meat is ranked as a "Group 1" carcinogen.

    Flip-side, grains and legumes have been tied to cancer as well. I can't find exactly what category, but they seem fairly convinced they are carcinogenic.

    It is, sadly, like the California Cancer joke, where almost everything causes cancer if taken to excess.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.

    Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    That doesn’t inherently make it unhealthy. We have the means to not have to eat the animals we slaughter immediately due to refrigeration.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Since the grain industry gained power in the 1940s. They funded much research to say

    1. Meat is hard to digest (when in fact carnivorous animals have the shortest gut; we're omnivores and have a medium gut, we also have the most acidic stomach acid of the mammals which is an adaptation to eating meat)
    2. Grain is the healthiest food (the only type of animal that does well on seeds is birds, they don't have teeth for bread to get stuck between and rot. The ancient Egyptians lived on bread and had the worst dental health)
    3. That humans need a balanced diet of many different things - which we do when we're eating nutritionally poor foods like bread, but many thrive on simple diets of fatty meat (Inuit before they adopted the standard American diet; Buffalo hunting native Americans; modern followers of lion, carnivore, zero carb)

    The standard diet as recommended by science (much of which was bought by the wheat peak bodies) has made us fat. Getting fatter is the most unhealthy state, it leads to diabetes, hypertension, bad cholesterol and early death

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago*

    This is a common explanation but is unfortunately propaganda in itself.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation

    Long story short on what you wrote - meat is a nutritionally rich food option and kind of nutritionally acceptable if your people have been living in the tundra for a few thousand years & have actually managed to genetically accommodate it, since there isn't much else food the further you go north (although it's very much overly simplistic to depict Inuit diets as entirely meat-based). But for modern people, in temperature or tropical regions, it makes no sense at all, plant-based diets give you the best balance of nutrients without extremely high fat and cholesterol content...there's a real anti-scientific hubris going on with people trying to brush away this basic fact.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    Specially processed meat, cheese and bread. In the case of fast food these ingredients are basically "hacked" to make us crave more and consume more. These industries have "food scientists" working on exactly that.

    Meat, cheese and bread in their more natural form is definitely healthy when consumed in moderation.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.

    I've seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.

    Wouldst thou like the taste of butter, wouldst thou like to live deliciously?

    In related news, this American finally figured out why Europeans find our bread sickening sweet, why I love sourdough and why it's called "sour". You're only gonna need one guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.

    In principle yes, but in reality it extends much farther than that and there is a whole industry built around this.

    For example, the "Subway Sandwich smell" is something desired but not easily replicable, and is a guarded secrecy that corporate is pretty shush-shush about. It not only accentuates the flavor but can get people into the shop from blocks away.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    It's... Just just the smell of baked bread and yeast. Anyone that makes their own bread knows what's going on with the smells in subway and can easily replicate it. I worked at one when I was younger there's absolutely nothing nefarious or secret about it lmao. I personally think it's the yeast more than anything. It's a smell that used to be really common but is much less so these days so it sticks out. A lot of subways have the bread proofing/rising right up by the front too

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I’ve seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.

    Not "confessed". That's a part of what they teach in culinary school. Restaurants strive for increased flavor, and the most effective flavor profiles are sweet and umami. Sugar and butter (or meat or MSG etc).

    But yeah, we definitely use more sugar (instead of, or as well as umami) in America. However, there's a lot of that going on in Japanese and Chinese (real, as in eating in China) cooking as well. When I was in China, everything that wasn't meat was shockingly carb-loaded. These weird (yummy) sweet cheese breads I swore had simple syrup slathered all over them with what tasted almost like American Cheese.

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