We should really just take a break from trolleys until we get the tech fully sorted out.
Found the big car CEO! I know your tricks!
You can never win with trolley people.
The technology just isn't there yet
That or finally catch the guy who's been tying people up on the tracks all this time.
Is the implication that the guy pulled the lever to steer the train onto the track with lots of people on it?
in the original thought experiment not pulling the lever results in the death of the 5 people on tracks, that's the choice of an attempt to avoid responsibility as you technically had no involvement in their deaths. Pulling the lever means you take direct responsibility for the death of one person, saving 5
Woah. Never once in my life have I heard that reasoning for not pulling the lever. I have always thought that since I was actively choosing not to pull it, that it was still a direct effect of my choice. I fully believe that people think the way you just described and now I have to reevaluate humanity.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. -Rush
Huh, every time I hear about the trolley problem it's always "now imagine that instead of pulling the lever, you need to push someone onto the track so the trolley stops after that first collision." Some people would pull the lever but not push someone onto the tracks, and that's where it gets interesting.
The difference is that in the lever example someone else tied the person to the track.
Easier to assign all blame to them, then.
And if you can push someone, you could use your own body too. Maybe the scenarios word around that (you have to push somebody and hold the lever, for example).
I imagine the nightmares from pushing a person would be worse than those from pulling a lever.
Actions vs outcomes right? Like "I didn't murder someone" vs "I did what would cause the least harm".
I may be wrong but it seems like focusing on my own actions as the basis of morality is self-centered in nature. Whereas thinking about the outcome—how the people in the track are affected—is other-centered. Doing nothing seems to seek to avoid judgement of self at the cost of 5 lives. The other seeks to save 5 lives at the cost of actively killing one person.
Though, I suppose, one could wonder what terrible things the latter might choose to do to save many more.
It perhaps shows how successful the trolly experiment has been, playing its part in changing our cultural attitudes as a whole, since its' purpose (lately, I dunno about originally) was to get people to realize exactly what you just said: that choosing to do nothing is still a choice. Sort of a "wake up, sheeple!" message.
Older generations like Boomers and especially Great before that were ignoring climate change and so much else - not having access to the internet, knowledge was more difficult to come by back then.
Today's era involves different struggles, mainly against misinformation, but at least people more often have their eyes open.
Edit: NSFW video version from the TV show The Good Place that adds some new dimensions to the problem: https://youtu.be/DtRhrfhP5b4?si=zI6lV0G_VRhzjz97.:-)
Probably the guy on the right doesn’t see the people on the left track about to die. And the guy on the left doesn’t see the person on the right whose life was saved.
The moral is something something perspective something.
Its usually pulling the lever to kill only the one person so the lever guy didnt pull it, the left guy saw the people on the left track because of how its curved, the right guy saw nothing but as it entered the curve he now sees they avoided a person and is happy
Yes
10 to 15 children, and a kitten. But the guy on the other track was Elon Musk, saving the world with EVs and rockets and stuff. How would you have chosen?
Elon musk, saving the world? With EVs? And stuff? Ah okay. A little too easy to choose then?
Not the hardest trolley problem, I admit..
Perfect score!
Now THIS is a great tier 3 meme.
Good meme
Nice, takes a bit of context to get it
creative
Take that, Immanuel, you fucking logorrheic simpleton. You're done. Your books can still be used to sort out a wobbly table I suppose.
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