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[–] [email protected] 122 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (37 children)

The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it. No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct.

A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it. The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Personally I think shopping carts are the penultimate litmus test. Returning a shopping cart requires effort, albeit a miniscule amount of effort. The ultimate litmus test is litering. It requires exactly zero effort to not throw your trash on the ground or out your car window. To me, littering practically screams, "I don't give a shit about anyone but myself. I have the self control of a toddler at bed time and I want everyone to know it which is why I throw my shit on the ground like a total fucktard."

I'm not really a confrontational person but I have rolled down my window and yelled at people for throwing their cigarette butts on the ground. You would think some people were raised in a goddamn barn.

I may feel a little strongly about this issue.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But there is a penalty for littering. Some people might refrain from littering not because it's the right thing to do, but because they don't want a fine.

The lack of repercussions for being a scumbag and abandoning your cart is what makes it a good test.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

If you're offended by a cigarette butt on the ground, holy fuck, you should have been around in the 70s. We have come so far and so fast.

When I was a kid, chunking your fast-food trash, any trash, out the window was perfectly normal. The sides of highways were covered in trash.

Further to go, of course, but I've seen solid progress.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I live in Sweden; rarely do I ever see a shopping cart just sitting in the parking lot. Can't remember a time in the last decade.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I figure it’s mostly an American thing we’re too European to understand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (11 children)

You think so? Are Americans really more lazy/inconsiderate people? Some other reason why this might be more common there?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Are Americans really more lazy/inconsiderate people?

American here. The answer is emphatically "yes".

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is there a version of this that includes something about Aldi and other pay to return shops?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The existence of Aldi carts is proof that there are a lot of people out there with no ability to self govern

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

But for a potential loss of $0.25 they can suddenly self govern.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Aldi's deal is more about getting people to return carts all the way to the front entrance so that they don't have to pay employees to retrieve them from the corrals.

Of course, with their parking lots being small to begin with, I'm not so sure it'd make much of a difference (see also: Lidl, with the same size parking lot but no 25¢ locking carts).

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Where I am, to unlock a cart, you have to insert a coin, and afterwards, to get the coin back, you have to lock the cart to another cart (that's hopefully part of the pile). It mostly works.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

They stopped doing this at a lot of places, but after years of having this coin system it seems people are decently behaved.

But i'm certain it's a matter of time until they realize they can just stop giving a shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

They do this at one particular store here. They also pay really well, have incredible prices, and let their cashiers sit in chairs while they check groceries. I like that store.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Leave it in the "Reserved for Law Enforcement" spot

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Instructions unclear, nailed shopping cart to the wall

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is a benefit of having kids. You can tell them to go put the cart away for you.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Grumbling this to myself for the thousandth time in a Costco parking lot, I looked out at the sea of parked cars and realized that the majority of people probably DO put their carts away responsibly, otherwise the dozen carts I saw askew would've been a hundred-fold.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

On a side note, my grandmother is always thankful when someone leaves a shopping cart by the parking space, because she leans on them to help her walk, and it's often hard for her to walk the distance from the car to the stall.

Generally though, yes, return your cart psycho

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not returning your cart should be the one and only criteria for the naughty list.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I used to work bringing in carts at a store and it was the best part of my job. I see this as just a cost of doing business for these giant stores that need carts to begin with, although I always put my cart back. I can understand if the thing is way far away though. Who cares? Let them pay someone a fair wage to keep track of them. We know that will never happen though so you need to bring it back to be considerate to other shoppers. Giving the store free labor lol

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Interestingly, there was a time not too long ago where there was no such thing as returning your carts. No place to put them, and store employees fetched them. I always return my cart so it doesn’t blow away and smash into someone’s car - but I bet a lot of boomers think nothing of leaving it wherever - because that’s kind of what you did.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry but there's No way even boomers get a pass. It's been expected to return your cart to the stall for longer at least 30 years. In some places you even had to put $1 into the cart to use it and got it back when you returned it ($1 was also a lot more 25 years ago).

There's really no excuse for not returning the cart today and anyone who fails at this simple task of self-governance is no better than animal.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's called the "cart corral". I just love that.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When I worked at a store we had two sizes of shipping cart and they couldn't interlock but people would force it anyway or back them in to engage the coin latch. The cart sheds became a total mess and the store was too understaffed and the manager often ended up doing the cars, badly, in favor of pulling people off indoors cleaning or w.e. I often left the cart over a parking separator brick so it can't roll into cars, but doesn't add to the jumbled mess in the shed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

we had two sizes of shipping cart... and the store was too understaffed

That's the store's own damn fault.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

More head office but yeah. They also changed the checkouts from Linux to windows and decided self checkouts could only have one human attendant.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago
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