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[–] 303 points 2 years ago (1 child)

"Sorry the cameras malfunctioned and 4 of the guards destroyed the documents then committed suicide. Nothing is to be done here."

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  • [–] 139 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Why this list was ever sealed to begin with is beyond me.

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  • [–] 97 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Because powerful people were his associates. I'm surprised it is being unsealed.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I'm not surprised it was ordered to be unsealed. I'll be more than a little surprised if an accurate list is actually unsealed. But, anything's possible I guess.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    “Those on the list were allowed to redact whatever parts they liked”

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (23 children)

    Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me.

    But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well.

    Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Most of the names will be innocent people and victims. All of them will be sent death threats and harassed because people will consider them pedophiles. People can't understand two things at once (Epstein was a socialite and a child trafficker) and they don't know what being an associate of Epstein implies. There's good reasons to keep the list private from the masses.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Not sure how true this is given:

    Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public -- including Epstein's victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates.

    I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves.

    I also imagine those who should be on it, also won't be.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To protect the privacy of the rich?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Probably more because it'll tip the ones who actually have cases open on them off.

    That's like 90% of what's in still classified docs from controversial moments in domestic investigations, information which could show the hand to people currently under investigation, and also techniques the FBI uses in evidence gathering which aren't known to the wider public and who's exposure could lead to suspects catching wise and closing the avenue.

    If you've ever seen one of those get smart posts about how to avoid being identified at a demonstration, Domestic Intelligence is openly trying to avoid more shit being added to those lists of ways to avoid detection. Yes it's absolutely adversarial to the privacy of the public but it's a lot less conspiratorial than a blood libel agenda to cover up the child trafficking of the rich.

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    [–] 79 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Until another judge says it will stay sealed.

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public -- including Epstein's victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates.

    Well, this tells us that we probably won't see any notable people in the release then...

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    They'll unseal them but all envelopes contain only an "I Owe You" from Trump, and under his signature he wrote in small font "I declassified them after I took them home"

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    [–] 52 points 2 years ago (39 children)

    Uh-oh, we bout to have a dead judge!

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hope that judge has real good security.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    I hope that judge is well protected and this isn't an edited list of people.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    Noam Chomsky once said that his dealings and business with Epstein were none of our business and we should fuck off. I hope we get to find out more about his and other rich people's dealings with Epstein

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    January 1 - This is just the emotionally charged distraction. Keep watchful for the event that needs to go under the radar. A change in laws or policy, a new war, or anything that is meant to erode people's privacy, security or freedom. The US has a history of implementing undesirable changes during holiday periods when there's little opposition. Possibly something like this;

    https://act.eff.org/action/tell-congress-they-must-defeat-hpsci-s-horrific-surveillance-bill

    Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is set to expire on December 31, 2023

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There goes the entire Republican Party

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It will be real interesting to see who files a motion objecting to the unsealing and appeals it to a higher court.

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