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Federal judge orders documents naming Jeffrey Epstein's associates to be unsealed (abcnews.go.com)
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[–] 303 points 2 years ago (1 child)

"Sorry the cameras malfunctioned and 4 of the guards destroyed the documents then committed suicide. Nothing is to be done here."

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  • [–] 106 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Something something Panama Papers...

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The Panama Papers weren't swept under a rug, you just didn't follow news on them.

    https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/five-years-later-panama-papers-still-having-a-big-impact/

    Also Epstein 100% killed himself, and unsealing this info won't tell you anything meaningful, because predators who hide among the rich don't fucking tell every person they meet that they're a predator.

    Conspiracy theories are never a good look on anyone.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not real big on conspiracy theories.

    The video being lost around the original attempt is rather suspect, but him finding something to hang himself with again... He should have been in a paper gown in a padded room. We have tons and tons of suicidal people in asylums and jail that are not given an opportunity to hang themselves.

    Someone as high profile as him and with a cell mate?

    I'm not saying he 100% didn't kill himself, but It sure as hell looks like somebody went through a lot of trouble to provide him opportunity.

    The hidden people on the list that makes this list so inconsequential are the same exact people with the type of reach it would need to make sure he didn't start naming names.

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  • [+] -21 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    He doesn't need to name names, because they have his computers, documents, etc. This conspiracy theory is as full of holes as QAnon shit.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah, no need to answer anything I point out just put your hands over your ears and tell me I'm QANON and full of shit that'll really make your point and help your position here.

    Come to think of it maybe there's a reason you're getting all the down votes...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    "Conspiracy theories" have ironically enough become weaponized as a thought terminating cliche. Am I supposed to not wonder what about his guards and what they were doing, or the camera feeds, or the people getting paid six figures to handle his case, or the dozens of other loose ends?

    There are enormous efforts being taken to gaslight people out of their curiosity about this case.

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  • [+] -21 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I also responded to your "points"

    The downvotes are just "rich people bad" shit, same as ever.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hopping into this conversation to say: that person is right; I'm not downvoting you because "rich people bad". I'm downvoting you because you aren't engaging in this discussion to share ideas and understand the other person. Your approach in this discussion is very much one of shutting down thinking that opposes yours. That doesn't get a dialog going; it ends it. You can do with that as you like, but I thought I'd speak up for myself so you don't mischaracterize my downvote.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago*

    Your approach in this discussion is very much one of shutting down thinking that opposes yours.

    Conspiracy theory thought is mental poison and should be shut down. Not all thinking is equal.

    I wouldn't engage a "flat earther" in a meaningful dialogue, and I would caution you against it as well. It's chess with a pigeon, at best

    Also, here's the comment I received directly before yours, lest you think I was just making that part up

    https://lemmy.world/comment/6146666

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I agree with you on the papers (been following that story since it broke), and I'll agree that I probably would've offed myself in his position as well, but there were some pretty unprobable shit happening around his death unless I've been misled hard. I mean the guy was on suicide watch, wasn't he? It's at the very least suspect as hell that it happened like it did.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    there were some pretty unprobable shit happening around his death unless I’ve been misled hard

    This is definitely true. But then, 9/11 was pretty improbable too, and was definitely not an inside job.

    He was taken off suicide watch shortly before his suicide.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Fair enough, I didn't know he was taken off suicide watch. Makes one wonder why, though. It's not like his circumstances changed.

    But we'll likely never know anyway, so I don't quite understand why you're getting so much flack for shit that is ultimately academic at this point. Don't get me wrong, as I think his victims deserve to know as much as possible, but at this point we're getting into Jimmy Hoffa territory with this shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    There are people who collect and document the information from the Epsteins of the world for blackmail. It was how Hoover built the FBI. I am not claiming that Epstein was murdered, but anyone who tries to cash in on the information that Epstein had, would have information that destroys lives. Desperate people do act desperately. I would guess that little 'conspiracies' abound, as people try to not be outed; using non-disclosure agreements, for example.

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  • [+] -19 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It doesn't matter if you're being truthful. If you're being a smug dickhead and talking down to people to feed your sense of superiority, I will downvote.

    There are enough of those in the fediverse as it is, we don't need any more incentives.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And deniers of the obvious may continue sucking the CIA's cock.

    But re Gary Webb. You are correct. He totally committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

    He totally committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.

    This, but unironically. That's why his wife corroborates it.

    Here's a clue to avoiding conspiracy theories: if it is something you really want to be true because it feels right, it probably isn't true and is instead spread around by other people with that same feeling.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Most conspiracy theories are bullshit, no doubt. But not all of them are, and it's pretty hard to judge which might be true by the claims alone, because by nature they are pretty fantastical.

    In 1974 before the Church Committee revealed it, you'd have dismissed anyone telling you about MKUltra and I wouldn't blame you.

    But it really did happen.

    Did Epstein kill himself? Probably? But the circumstances are definitely eyebrow raising...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    But the circumstances are definitely eyebrow raising…

    This is pretty much how all conspiracy theories thrive: take something suspicious, put a story into the holes in between the facts we know that confirms what we want to believe is true, and then ignore or ridiculously explain away any evidence that contradicts the hypothesis.

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