▲ 1234 ▼ Federal judge orders documents naming Jeffrey Epstein's associates to be unsealed (abcnews.go.com) submitted 2 years ago by Mattster_Of_Puppets@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 200 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 139 points 2 years ago (6 children) Why this list was ever sealed to begin with is beyond me. permalink fedilink source hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] takeda@lemmy.world 97 points 2 years ago (3 children) Because powerful people were his associates. I'm surprised it is being unsealed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not surprised it was ordered to be unsealed. I'll be more than a little surprised if an accurate list is actually unsealed. But, anything's possible I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Those on the list were allowed to redact whatever parts they liked” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me. But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) She actually said the exact opposite. From your link: Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30] Emphasis mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Entire thing is redacted except a single word that says something lawyer-y like "notwithstanding". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And any names already public permalink fedilink source parent [–] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well they needed to clean it first before they unsealed it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Gotta blur some names so they won't be prosecuted. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I bet there is some catch. The only thing unsealed will be boring stuff. Oh it turns out a company Bill Clinton owned stock in, back in 1991, did some construction work for a property Epstein owned. It isn't going to be stuff like "here is a video of Justice Thomas raping a kid". permalink fedilink source parent [–] mhague@lemmy.world 71 points 2 years ago (5 children) Most of the names will be innocent people and victims. All of them will be sent death threats and harassed because people will consider them pedophiles. People can't understand two things at once (Epstein was a socialite and a child trafficker) and they don't know what being an associate of Epstein implies. There's good reasons to keep the list private from the masses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny that those people will be threatened, but people we know have been involved in bribery at the highest levels of our government are not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calabast@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago It must be funny, otherwise where'd all these tears on my cheeks come from!? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not sure how true this is given: Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public -- including Epstein's victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates. I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won't be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And everyone is mystified how groups like the Roman Catholic Church were able to suppress stories of child raise and trafficking for quite literally over a thousand years. Seriously a document was found from before the first crusades talking about it. The crime doesn't go to criminal trial because the family is bribed and threatened. Then it is in civil matter and the records get sealed. Priest goes and rapes another kid. Rinse lather repeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. Epstein was incredibly well connected, so this statement is dubious at best. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won’t be. This is correct. 0% of people "associated" with Epstein have any evidence against them of his crimes, or they'd have been charged as co-conspirators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago 6th amendment of the US Constitution cuts both ways. People have the right to observe what the government is doing in criminal cases. If the US government is refusing to let the public know what is going on during these procedures the possibility of corruption goes from low to almost certain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The judge stated some names will be redacted as they were victims. I also doubt someone would interact with Epstein several times and not know. He wasn't even trying to hide it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) To protect the privacy of the rich? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) Probably more because it'll tip the ones who actually have cases open on them off. That's like 90% of what's in still classified docs from controversial moments in domestic investigations, information which could show the hand to people currently under investigation, and also techniques the FBI uses in evidence gathering which aren't known to the wider public and who's exposure could lead to suspects catching wise and closing the avenue. If you've ever seen one of those get smart posts about how to avoid being identified at a demonstration, Domestic Intelligence is openly trying to avoid more shit being added to those lists of ways to avoid detection. Yes it's absolutely adversarial to the privacy of the public but it's a lot less conspiratorial than a blood libel agenda to cover up the child trafficking of the rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you mean like Ice T. breaking it down ELI5 for the viewers every week? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean like when someone smokes crack cocaine? Or when they bet too much on the ponies? Or... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Epstein died in 2019. If there's any open cases it's because they're not making any effort to close them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how major investigations of entire criminal networks work and if you weren't trying to make blood libel cool because class consciousness or whatever you'd know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hubi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Probably because being on a list of names is not proof of any wrongdoing or crime but will most definitely be interpreted as such by people on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) deleted by creator permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] takeda@lemmy.world 97 points 2 years ago (3 children) Because powerful people were his associates. I'm surprised it is being unsealed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not surprised it was ordered to be unsealed. I'll be more than a little surprised if an accurate list is actually unsealed. But, anything's possible I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Those on the list were allowed to redact whatever parts they liked” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me. But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) She actually said the exact opposite. From your link: Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30] Emphasis mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Entire thing is redacted except a single word that says something lawyer-y like "notwithstanding". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And any names already public permalink fedilink source parent [–] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well they needed to clean it first before they unsealed it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Gotta blur some names so they won't be prosecuted. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I bet there is some catch. The only thing unsealed will be boring stuff. Oh it turns out a company Bill Clinton owned stock in, back in 1991, did some construction work for a property Epstein owned. It isn't going to be stuff like "here is a video of Justice Thomas raping a kid". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I'm not surprised it was ordered to be unsealed. I'll be more than a little surprised if an accurate list is actually unsealed. But, anything's possible I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Those on the list were allowed to redact whatever parts they liked” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me. But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) She actually said the exact opposite. From your link: Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30] Emphasis mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Entire thing is redacted except a single word that says something lawyer-y like "notwithstanding". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And any names already public permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (2 children) “Those on the list were allowed to redact whatever parts they liked” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me. But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) She actually said the exact opposite. From your link: Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30] Emphasis mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies) [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Entire thing is redacted except a single word that says something lawyer-y like "notwithstanding". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And any names already public permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Deborah Jeane Palfrey has entered the chat. I swear I remember seeing news stories at the time saying that she'd specifically told family members: I'm not planning to kill myself, but I am threatening to release the identities of powerful men who made use of my services. If I die it's because they killed me. But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. Edit: Someone argued with me enough about it that I actually tried to read up on it, and I think what I was remembering was that Alex Jones said that if she died it's because they killed her, and some people reported on that, along with some carefully cherry-picked quotes from her interview on his show. She did say that she wasn't planning to kill herself, but only because he directly asked her as part of his normal Alex Jones shtick, and of course she said "no." But she never said that on any other program, as far as I can tell, and everyone reliable who investigated concluded that the suicide was probably real. So the mystery is resolved. Sounds like she killed herself. 😢 At least I learned something today. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) She actually said the exact opposite. From your link: Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30] Emphasis mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies)
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) She actually said the exact opposite. From your link: Palfrey's two handwritten notes were released to the public. In one of them, she wrote to her sister, "You must comprehend there was no way out, I.E. 'exit strategy,' for me other than the one I have chosen here." In another, she described her predicament as a "modern-day lynching". She said she feared that, at the end of serving her sentence, she would be "in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman".[28][30] Emphasis mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies)
[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, I read the sources I linked to. Here's what I said about it: But now, all I can find is that it was clearly a suicide. Oh well. What did you think I was talking about, what I said that? If not that the stories I can find now all say it was a legit suicide? Maybe my memory is faulty, or maybe the suicide note is fake. Which it is, I have no idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies)
[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (20 children) Seems very unlikely that two handwritten suicide notes could be plausibly faked that well when there are many examples of her handwriting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments load more comments (20 replies)
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Entire thing is redacted except a single word that says something lawyer-y like "notwithstanding". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And any names already public permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago And any names already public permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well they needed to clean it first before they unsealed it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Gotta blur some names so they won't be prosecuted. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Gotta blur some names so they won't be prosecuted. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I bet there is some catch. The only thing unsealed will be boring stuff. Oh it turns out a company Bill Clinton owned stock in, back in 1991, did some construction work for a property Epstein owned. It isn't going to be stuff like "here is a video of Justice Thomas raping a kid". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mhague@lemmy.world 71 points 2 years ago (5 children) Most of the names will be innocent people and victims. All of them will be sent death threats and harassed because people will consider them pedophiles. People can't understand two things at once (Epstein was a socialite and a child trafficker) and they don't know what being an associate of Epstein implies. There's good reasons to keep the list private from the masses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny that those people will be threatened, but people we know have been involved in bribery at the highest levels of our government are not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calabast@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago It must be funny, otherwise where'd all these tears on my cheeks come from!? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not sure how true this is given: Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public -- including Epstein's victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates. I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won't be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And everyone is mystified how groups like the Roman Catholic Church were able to suppress stories of child raise and trafficking for quite literally over a thousand years. Seriously a document was found from before the first crusades talking about it. The crime doesn't go to criminal trial because the family is bribed and threatened. Then it is in civil matter and the records get sealed. Priest goes and rapes another kid. Rinse lather repeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. Epstein was incredibly well connected, so this statement is dubious at best. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won’t be. This is correct. 0% of people "associated" with Epstein have any evidence against them of his crimes, or they'd have been charged as co-conspirators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago 6th amendment of the US Constitution cuts both ways. People have the right to observe what the government is doing in criminal cases. If the US government is refusing to let the public know what is going on during these procedures the possibility of corruption goes from low to almost certain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The judge stated some names will be redacted as they were victims. I also doubt someone would interact with Epstein several times and not know. He wasn't even trying to hide it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's funny that those people will be threatened, but people we know have been involved in bribery at the highest levels of our government are not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] calabast@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago It must be funny, otherwise where'd all these tears on my cheeks come from!? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] calabast@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago It must be funny, otherwise where'd all these tears on my cheeks come from!? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not sure how true this is given: Anyone who did not successfully fight to keep their name out of the civil case could see their name become public -- including Epstein's victims, co-conspirators and innocent associates. I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won't be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And everyone is mystified how groups like the Roman Catholic Church were able to suppress stories of child raise and trafficking for quite literally over a thousand years. Seriously a document was found from before the first crusades talking about it. The crime doesn't go to criminal trial because the family is bribed and threatened. Then it is in civil matter and the records get sealed. Priest goes and rapes another kid. Rinse lather repeat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. Epstein was incredibly well connected, so this statement is dubious at best. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won’t be. This is correct. 0% of people "associated" with Epstein have any evidence against them of his crimes, or they'd have been charged as co-conspirators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago And everyone is mystified how groups like the Roman Catholic Church were able to suppress stories of child raise and trafficking for quite literally over a thousand years. Seriously a document was found from before the first crusades talking about it. The crime doesn't go to criminal trial because the family is bribed and threatened. Then it is in civil matter and the records get sealed. Priest goes and rapes another kid. Rinse lather repeat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I imagine anyone who was innocent and an associate had the money to hire the right lawyers to remove themselves. Epstein was incredibly well connected, so this statement is dubious at best. I also imagine those who should be on it, also won’t be. This is correct. 0% of people "associated" with Epstein have any evidence against them of his crimes, or they'd have been charged as co-conspirators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago 6th amendment of the US Constitution cuts both ways. People have the right to observe what the government is doing in criminal cases. If the US government is refusing to let the public know what is going on during these procedures the possibility of corruption goes from low to almost certain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The judge stated some names will be redacted as they were victims. I also doubt someone would interact with Epstein several times and not know. He wasn't even trying to hide it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) To protect the privacy of the rich? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) Probably more because it'll tip the ones who actually have cases open on them off. That's like 90% of what's in still classified docs from controversial moments in domestic investigations, information which could show the hand to people currently under investigation, and also techniques the FBI uses in evidence gathering which aren't known to the wider public and who's exposure could lead to suspects catching wise and closing the avenue. If you've ever seen one of those get smart posts about how to avoid being identified at a demonstration, Domestic Intelligence is openly trying to avoid more shit being added to those lists of ways to avoid detection. Yes it's absolutely adversarial to the privacy of the public but it's a lot less conspiratorial than a blood libel agenda to cover up the child trafficking of the rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you mean like Ice T. breaking it down ELI5 for the viewers every week? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean like when someone smokes crack cocaine? Or when they bet too much on the ponies? Or... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Epstein died in 2019. If there's any open cases it's because they're not making any effort to close them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how major investigations of entire criminal networks work and if you weren't trying to make blood libel cool because class consciousness or whatever you'd know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) Probably more because it'll tip the ones who actually have cases open on them off. That's like 90% of what's in still classified docs from controversial moments in domestic investigations, information which could show the hand to people currently under investigation, and also techniques the FBI uses in evidence gathering which aren't known to the wider public and who's exposure could lead to suspects catching wise and closing the avenue. If you've ever seen one of those get smart posts about how to avoid being identified at a demonstration, Domestic Intelligence is openly trying to avoid more shit being added to those lists of ways to avoid detection. Yes it's absolutely adversarial to the privacy of the public but it's a lot less conspiratorial than a blood libel agenda to cover up the child trafficking of the rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you mean like Ice T. breaking it down ELI5 for the viewers every week? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean like when someone smokes crack cocaine? Or when they bet too much on the ponies? Or... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Epstein died in 2019. If there's any open cases it's because they're not making any effort to close them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how major investigations of entire criminal networks work and if you weren't trying to make blood libel cool because class consciousness or whatever you'd know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, you mean like Ice T. breaking it down ELI5 for the viewers every week? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean like when someone smokes crack cocaine? Or when they bet too much on the ponies? Or... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean like when someone smokes crack cocaine? Or when they bet too much on the ponies? Or... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Oh, Johnny. I hope you get better, and soon. Don't start hanging out with that ratfuck Chappelle, either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Epstein died in 2019. If there's any open cases it's because they're not making any effort to close them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how major investigations of entire criminal networks work and if you weren't trying to make blood libel cool because class consciousness or whatever you'd know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not how major investigations of entire criminal networks work and if you weren't trying to make blood libel cool because class consciousness or whatever you'd know better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* Their initial investigation into him lasted 13 months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hubi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Probably because being on a list of names is not proof of any wrongdoing or crime but will most definitely be interpreted as such by people on the internet. permalink fedilink source parent
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