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National Retail Federation says 2021 data was flawed and based on congressional testimony from president of an advocacy group

The powerful National Retail Federation (NRF) lobbying group has retracted a claim that “organized retail crime” accounted for “nearly half” of the shopping industry’s $94.5bn losses due to theft or “shrink” in 2021.

The industry group had said the impact of organized retail crime, which it previously claimed had increased by 26.5%, had become increasingly violent. Retail giants like Target, Walmart and Walgreens said it was threatening their businesses.

The NRF said the figure was based on a congressional testimony from Ben Dugan, the former president of an advocacy group, the Coalition of Law Enforcement and Retail, and that an analyst from K2 Integrity, a risk consultancy that co-authored the report, inferred the “nearly half” claim.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 1 year ago (4 children)

why the fuck do we even allow lobbying. bullshit fake gamified system that no proper country should have

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Writing to your representative is a form of lobbying

An unsolicited expert opinion is lobbying

What's messed up is the amount of money to run and that citizens united made unlimited funds possible

Congressmen always worried about the cash they'll need to get elected

If there were term limits we would have faceless corporate buyouts with little experience, vs someone running on name recognition

Heck I want a campaign finance max limit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, term limits can't stop this.

Campaign finance reform can. Anyone running for office has a cap on how much can be spent. Political organizations also have a cap and they have to disclose who their donors are.

No more dark money.

I'd say we should go so far as to move to sortition (randomly selected people serving a term in office) but I am pragmatic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I say we push all suffering and misery onto a single child and then live in the utopia that results.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... That's what I just said. Are you a bot?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I hit reply to the wrong parent message. But either way, I'm totally not a robot..........

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm totally not a robot..........

That totally sounds like something robot would say though... :p

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

An unsolicited expert opinion is lobbying

Right. Politicians know nothing about technology half the time, right?

Who does know - it’s people in the technology field.

They have to communicate somehow. Not saying it’s not broken today, and I think you could have a clever setup of advisors, but at the end of the day there will just have to be some kind of input by experts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Let's just skip all the bullshit and move straight to direct voting.

It's been proven that congress doesn't follow the will of the people, anyways.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Paragraph salad, delicious

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because at least in theory, lobbying is at the core of a functioning republic. If you and couple neighbors get together to try to convince your county aldermen to fix some potholes, that's lobbying. Any time a person tries to influence their representative, it's lobbying. It's incredibly difficult to have actual codified laws that allow the things you want without also opening up tons of loopholes for corruption.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It’s incredibly difficult to have actual codified laws that allow the things you want without also opening up tons of loopholes for corruption.

Why do you think it's hard to separate the two? One involves receiving money or business perks and the other serves the community.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because directly receiving money is already illegal. Anything currently legal is so because it's protected by the same things protecting local organizations putting up flyers/billboards/radio ads/etc. Even stricter monetary limits don't really work, as you end up catching things such national humane society ads, because if they contain any messaging regarding support for legislation/wanting new legislation it's considered lobbying.

It's really just an intro to the subject, but Knowing Better has a great video on it. Great leaping off point. The very short and very inadequate TL;DW is essentially that "get the money out of politics" doesn't actually mean anything.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have time to watch the video but I will later. It's never going to be possible to get the money out of politics 100%, but transparency and getting rid of super pacs would go a long way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh there is absolutely more we could be doing, especially regarding tracking dark money spending. I was primarily pointing out that "we should just get rid of lobbying" is an almost entirely nonsensical statement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is illegal in many places, but nearly impossible to enforce.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Experience. It's illegal in Brazil, no one has ever been convicted. It's a hard crime to define. It's like a law saying "strictly no ambling", but how do you differentiate from regular walking?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

The theft was coming from retailers. Raising prices without raising the cost of living accordingly isn't inflation; it's exploitation.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Bit of creative accounting. Blame shoplifters. Boom! Tax free profits.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whaaaaaat, they’re lying????

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i wonder how many single family homes would have been necessary to store all those stolen goods.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What is this “Coalition of Law Enforcement and Retail”?

The article describes it as an advocacy group. But for what exactly? In my humble and biased opinion, these two things are very far apart (LE and Retail)

Edit: to -> two

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Advocacy for promoting lies.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In other words, a lobbying group.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

There are lobbying groups for equality, medical care, women's rights, chkldren's rights, and environmental protections and other topics that don't promote lies. Musicians and artists banded together as a group to lobby against censorship.

Just becsuse there are shitty lobbyists doesn't mean they all are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Most retail companies' Loss Prevention department works with local law enforcement, which I actually think is a good thing. Focus on the people who rob/use violence or teams of people who run out with carts full of expensive things to resell, not the single mom pocketing food...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

You know who you don't see constantly complaining about retail theft, grocery stores. Probably because they have a business model resistant to the real cause of all these losses, online shopping and the decline of retail.

It's easier for the execs though to blame it on retail theft and tell their shareholders that they're gonna lobby Congress to lock up shoplifters and solve the problem, rather than tell them the business is slowly dying and there's nothing they can do about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Surprise, surprise: the industry lied.