I'm a cis male and I believe in the importance of feminism, but I hesitate to call myself a feminist because it seems like there is a presumption of understanding women's experiences as if I was part of the Me Too movement. In some binary sense given how hateful and shitty men can be I'm absolutely a feminist, but I wouldn't declare myself to be one. What is your standpoint?

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Of course you're a feminist, you have feminist beliefs.

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  • [–] 1 point 58 minutes ago

    yeah it's useful to call yourself a feminist and it doesn't cost much. you might be overthinking this, do not deprive yourself of future interactions with people who share your values

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  • I grew up being taught feminism is about equality between men and women. It's not about one sex being dominant over the other. In that sense, yes, I'm a feminist. But unfortunately, I later learned in life that feminism and gender equality is taught differently in different places, or not at all. Feminism has morphed in the minds of many that it's about women getting privilege.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    I don't have a gender (I lost it somewhere, sorry), and I still call myself feminist.

    I think feminism is something more related to the fight against a type of oppression rather than an identity thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    Yes. Though there are who just wear the word as a label without changing their behaviour, it’s up to men to set a positive example of how we should treat women and each other.

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  • I'm a woman who calls myself a feminist because I don't want to let the transphobes known as TERFs (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists) have the word. (Potentially useful to highlight that whilst not all transphobes are TERFs, all TERFs are transphobes)

    Some people are opposed to using the term TERF because of how misogynistic TERF ideology is β€” they don't just hurt trans women, but all women. Whilst I agree that their form of feminism is harmful to women everywhere and vehemently disagree with their views, there is no "Council of Feminists" who decree who gets to call themselves a feminist. So if I want to call myself a feminist, it means having to share the room with TERFs. I don't like that, but I'd rather do it than let them define what it means to be a feminist.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago*

    Yes and if someone had a knee jerk reaction to that that gives me valuable info about them. If they want to know more about it they’re free to ask, or make assumptions, doesn’t matter to me how other people feel about the word.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I once met a girl (or should I say, she once met me), who wore a shirt that said: "Feminism is the radical notion, that women are people, too. "

    So, yes, I consider myself a feminist.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Absolutely would call myself a feminist and here's the reason. Calling yourself a feminist is a declaration that you aren't in performance for brownie points for men's sake and you aren't going to fade to the background the first second the going gets tough. Feminists don't "hate men" but the fact that their issues get sidelined the minute anybody's feelings about their personal masculinity gets hurt means most of the time any discussion about women's issues become about mincing around insecure men.

    Feminism is egalitarianism, it is strictly NOT female superiority. The issue with calling feminism egalitarianism is it tends to be a label summerizing the passive part of the movement that asks nothing of people.

    Systems that aren't artificially adjusted just end up replicating the same shit they always had over and over and the adjustments don't feel fair or equal to the people who have always benefitted before the change. Justice sometimes meaning giving up something to the party in need. Damn near everyone is up for equality in theory, but the moment they are asked to give up anything suddenly it's women's superiority. They don't look at being passed over for the promotion in favor of an equally deserving and more generally underrepresented woman as being just or needed when it's them who doesn't get chosen. They still in their heart of hearts believe that whenever a woman comes out on top it's not because she deserves to be there.

    And it's hard. It's hard to put justice first. It's hard to hire someone who isn't your close personal friend who looks just like you and instead choose someone who acts or looks different who you won't be as comfortable around. It's hard to change your culture to be mindful of needs you don't personally have to make someone else comfortable. The whole POINT is that it's hard. Everything that is hard for you is a comfort, a point without personal friction you have, a PRIVILEGE that you are purposefully choosing to not cash in on anymore because that privilege was never on the table for someone else.

    If you aren't willing to face the minor discomfort of being devisive and calling yourself a feminist and gaining the ire of other men what other comforts are you not going to give up?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 hours ago*

    Feminism is egalitarianism, it is strictly NOT female superiority

    Exactly, the latter is matriarchy and that's the one I really want to try out! I don't think it would be perfect but I am just curious how it would turn out? For science!

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  • [–] 0 points 4 hours ago

    I remind myself that it's mindfulness, speech and conduct that that matter. Labels by themselves are meaningless.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    Fellow cis-gendered male feminist, we outchea

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    Yes, I can support feminism without being a woman.

    "Not all men," yes, all men Need all men for what we're solvin' Can't be what it's been but we're evolvin' You see for yourself now get involved in

    • Dana Dan by Bloodywood
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    I absolutely call myself a feminist even if the word isn't maybe entirely descriptive anymore.

    This is our fight too.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago

    100% I'm a feminist in the original sense of the term, and not the radical (misandrist) way it's come to be recognised as. As a man I don't pretend to 100% relate to the BS women have to put up with on the regular, but I can listen, I can empathise, and I can recognise it stems from a society in which men are viewed as "superior" for some reason.

    Similarly, I recognise a lot of issues men have also stems from our patriarchal society. For me it's not about quantifying the harm (although if I had to, hot take but on average I'd say the people not in power have it worse), but about pointing to a problem and saying "This is stupid and causing a lot of harm to everyone, why keep it?"

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  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago

    I wouldn't, but some definitions I've heard fit me, I personally just call it basic decency + common sense

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    Probably more egalitarian than feminist, just because of the bad branding over the years. Same principles still apply, though. Equal rights, equal pay, full maternity/paternity leave, equal draft laws, equal dress/beachwear, etc.

    Having differences between genders has always rubbed me the wrong way. People are just people.

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  • [–] 10 points 19 hours ago

    I understand what you are saying, but you don't need a lived female experience to be a feminist.

    I will declare you one. You are a feminist. Be proud.

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  • [–] 6 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

    I prefer the term "egalitarian". Functionally the same, but firmly places the focus on equality regardless of gender, and creates distance from the toxic misandrists who have tried to co-opt the "feminist" label.

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  • [–] 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Most feminists I've talked to about it say they hate people who describe themselves as "egalitarian," essentially equating it to the "enlightened centrist" meme.

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  • [–] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    And I hate the misandrists who describe themselves as "feminists", equating it with the "red pill" guys who turned a metaphor for radical systemic awareness into misogyny.

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  • [–] 2 points 16 hours ago

    True, but they seem to dominate every feminist space I've been in, so the definition of "feminist" is hard for me to work out; nicer people seem to think it's 1:1 with "egalitarian," but then why have two words for the same thing?

    So my conclusion has been that I'll just keep voting and speaking in the interests of making our world treat men and women equally, and just shrug my shoulders at the labels. As I said elsewhere, that's not enough for some feminists, so they'll just have to continue disliking me. Misogynists dislike me too, so I'm used to it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Yes, I'm a cis man and I am a Marxist feminist. Feminism is not exclusionary to cis men, and Marxist feminism is critical as patriarchy is a secondary contradiction that rests upon the primary contradiction of class society. Attacking sexism attacks capitalism, and attacking capitalism attacks sexism. They are connected.

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  • [–] 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Thanks for saying this. There was a rather popular unpopular opinion a while ago about how the only struggle should be the class struggle, and feminism was getting in the way. People need to see that they're both part of the same fight.

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  • [–] 3 points 12 hours ago*

    Highly recommend reading Domenico Losurdo - Class struggle for more on this.

    It gets into how there's not just a single class struggle, i.e. working class versus bourgeoisie, but many different and related class struggles. Both Marx and Engels held this multivariate view of class struggle too, and it was only later that chauvinists, anti-feminists, and imperialists restricted its meaning to the workplace only.

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago

    Maybe but if you forced my hand yes. The following is just my own viewpoint of feminism I have basically never interacted with literature or the community. (Yes I know I need to!)

    I believe feminism is more than women's right. It's inherently the rights of everyone. The focus on feminimity I would say is because it's the largest oppressed class under patriarchy.

    Women's rights are linked with trans rights because you must be able to accept the rights of whether or not someone identifies as a woman, a man, enby, or any other type of identity.

    It links with men's rights because not only do men have privelage they also lack freedom of expression which also interlinks with trans rights. Men have privelage but they have also lost the right to decide the kind of man they want to be that doesn't follow within the narrow perspective of what society expects. That's harmful to both men and women.

    Following in line with the last 2 it links with race because men, women, and trans people are a part of racial minorities. Inherently by treating anyone of a racial minority different you are trampling one someone's rights be they man, woman, or trans person.

    That:'s just big topics without getting into parental rights, the rights of people with disabilities, immigrants, etc.

    Following the you don't necessarily need to know a woman's experience to be able to acknowledge it's validity.

    More than anything I think to strive for equality for everyone is feminist AF. I might be diluting what feminism is though.

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