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submitted 3 weeks ago by [M] to c/okmatewanker@feddit.uk
 
A Twitter post from BBC World saying "Should more British homes be built using straw?" Below is a speech bubble coming out of a wolf.

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[โ€“] 31 points 3 weeks ago (39 children)
  • [โ€“] 68 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (36 children)

    If you are jokeing and referring to the fairytale then I get it.

    Otherwise: no it's not a tinderbox. I work in construction as a carpenter and we encounter this building method and the fire argument sometimes. Fire needs fuel and an oxidant. No oxygen after the little that is in there and the worst thing is a slow glim and even that won't happen. The walls covering this straw are made from f30 material that can withstand fire, you guessed it, for 30 minutes. So no flash fires In seconds.

    Another example is blow in inaulwyion insulation smartasses made from cellulose recycling. News paper. It has been used for at least two decades in Germany and is never thr cause for a fire.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Another example is blow in inaulwyion made from cellulose recycling.

    Ugh, I guess you meant insulation? And yes, this stuff is widely used in Finland, too.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Massively well built for insulation properties. The biggest thing to bedevil this building material is water. Would absolutely love a small house built with packed straw or even better, cob.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (18 children)

    What if the f30 material is damaged or air gaps left by installer?

    How resilient and sensitive to flaws in construction?

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I watched a strawbale building demonstration 20 years ago where they torched a stuccoed strawbale structure that had no treatments: the fire reached over 2000ยฐf and when it was cooled, they cut open the stawbales and showed the fire didn't burn the bale more than an inch deep. They really do not burn due to the lack of oxygen.

    Water on the other hand can rot out a whole wall if it's not sealed.

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Then you violated the building code. Regarding fire and arguably more importantly air tightness to prevent condensation and resulting water damage.

    In attics its mandatory to do a blow out test where you create overpressure and search for air movement and leaks with a smoke machine.

    Rule of thumb is outer walls wind tight, inside perimeter walls air tight. (Diffusion open)

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    People in construction know what they're doing and in general know what they're talking about.

    Unfortunately, that excellently constructed home they spent so much effort on will still be sitting there in 5, 15, maybe 50 years from now. And all that time it's definitely not getting all it's proper maintenance, and will slowly be dropping in quality.

    I doubt these buildings would go up hindenburg style, but after a decade or two of being lived in, fires will not be as easy to put out in a home like this.

    Source: not a construction worker, but have worked in construction for a few years here and there and have been working with fire for several decades (and working to make fire safe to handle and trying to fireproof a couple garages)

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    And all that time it's definitely not getting all it's proper maintenance

    Thatโ€™s a human problem, not a problem with the material and would affect any home built with any material. Also, what kind of maintenance requires you to open up the walls?

    I doubt these buildings would go up hindenburg style, but after a decade or two of being lived in, fires will not be as easy to put out in a home like this.

    Anything to support this besides your assumptions? Straw has been in use for a very long time and, generally speaking, this statement doesnโ€™t hold up.

    https://www.nachi.org/straw-bale-home-basics-history.htm

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    [โ€“] 30 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Little pig little pig, let me in

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  • [โ€“] 21 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I thought y'all only built houses with brick and concrete.

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    [โ€“] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    That seems like a lot more ecological than concrete, and is great insulation at same time

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    Everybody's talking about fire, likely due to London's track record, but honestly I think this stuff is going to get soggy, mold, and fill with rot long before any reasonable structural lifespan.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Straw has been used as a building material in England for maybe a thousand years. It used to be mainly used in roofing - thatching was a trade for a very long time, and you still see thatched houses in the countryside. Obviously it needs maintenance, and occasionally you'll hear of a thatcher finding something ancient hidden away for centuries in the thatch.

    Can't say I understand how it works, but it's a very effective means of building.

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    [โ€“] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    Great London fire part deux electric boogaloo

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Warum liegt denn hier Stroh?

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    [โ€“] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    My Gluten allergy would never!

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    Just watched this. Was interesting to see how they build with straw to modern standards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdpKKZUw1eA

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Knowing nothing about this whatsoever, what's wrong with fiberglass insulation? The pink cotton candy kind.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    "Brits, stop building straw homes, the wolf will blow them away!"

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 2 weeks ago*

    Even the Big Bad Wolf can't cope with British NIMBYism.

    He'll huff and he'll puff all he likes but nothing will stop Bernard and Mildred, 78 from organising the blocking of any building or demolition work within a dozen miles of the house they bought for ยฃ500 and half a pack of cigarettes in 1965.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Big Bad Canis

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Its pain to work and to produce. As in the dust it sheds is horrible for the lungs plus very itchy on the skin. The production process is also more involved than harvest and drying of a byproduct of grain production.

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