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submitted 12 hours ago by [M] to c/okmatewanker@feddit.uk
 
A Twitter post from BBC World saying "Should more British homes be built using straw?" Below is a speech bubble coming out of a wolf.
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[–] 53 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (24 children)

If you are jokeing and referring to the fairytale then I get it.

Otherwise: no it's not a tinderbox. I work in construction as a carpenter and we encounter this building method and the fire argument sometimes. Fire needs fuel and an oxidant. No oxygen after the little that is in there and the worst thing is a slow glim and even that won't happen. The walls covering this straw are made from f30 material that can withstand fire, you guessed it, for 30 minutes. So no flash fires In seconds.

Another example is blow in inaulwyion insulation smartasses made from cellulose recycling. News paper. It has been used for at least two decades in Germany and is never thr cause for a fire.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Another example is blow in inaulwyion made from cellulose recycling.

    Ugh, I guess you meant insulation? And yes, this stuff is widely used in Finland, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Massively well built for insulation properties. The biggest thing to bedevil this building material is water. Would absolutely love a small house built with packed straw or even better, cob.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago* (11 children)

    What if the f30 material is damaged or air gaps left by installer?

    How resilient and sensitive to flaws in construction?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    I watched a strawbale building demonstration 20 years ago where they torched a stuccoed strawbale structure that had no treatments: the fire reached over 2000°f and when it was cooled, they cut open the stawbales and showed the fire didn't burn the bale more than an inch deep. They really do not burn due to the lack of oxygen.

    Water on the other hand can rot out a whole wall if it's not sealed.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

    Then you violated the building code. Regarding fire and arguably more importantly air tightness to prevent condensation and resulting water damage.

    In attics its mandatory to do a blow out test where you create overpressure and search for air movement and leaks with a smoke machine.

    Rule of thumb is outer walls wind tight, inside perimeter walls air tight. (Diffusion open)

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  • [–] -2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    and what if the owner added a hole because they felt like it?

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  • [–] 8 points 6 hours ago* (1 child)

    That wouldn't be good for a bunch of reasons. Mainly because the owner is obviously stupid.

    That being said, I'd argue that Cars aren't safe because if you light a fire under it and wait for a few minutes it goes up in flames.

    Same reasoning.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago

    Farmers have known for thousands of years that wet straw can spontaneously combust and you're saying people can't put a nail in their wall or install a new outdoor light?

    What happens if you have a pinhole leak in a pipe?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

    People in construction know what they're doing and in general know what they're talking about.

    Unfortunately, that excellently constructed home they spent so much effort on will still be sitting there in 5, 15, maybe 50 years from now. And all that time it's definitely not getting all it's proper maintenance, and will slowly be dropping in quality.

    I doubt these buildings would go up hindenburg style, but after a decade or two of being lived in, fires will not be as easy to put out in a home like this.

    Source: not a construction worker, but have worked in construction for a few years here and there and have been working with fire for several decades (and working to make fire safe to handle and trying to fireproof a couple garages)

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

    And all that time it's definitely not getting all it's proper maintenance

    That’s a human problem, not a problem with the material and would affect any home built with any material. Also, what kind of maintenance requires you to open up the walls?

    I doubt these buildings would go up hindenburg style, but after a decade or two of being lived in, fires will not be as easy to put out in a home like this.

    Anything to support this besides your assumptions? Straw has been in use for a very long time and, generally speaking, this statement doesn’t hold up.

    https://www.nachi.org/straw-bale-home-basics-history.htm

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  • [–] 0 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    a good material for a house will survive neglect.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (1 child)

    I assume it's cheaper and easier to build with, but is it as structurally sound?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

    It is usually in between timber frames. Standalone I haven't encountered it.

    Edit: it is foremost used because of the great insulation and room climate properties. Also it is renewable and local. So a bunch of pluses.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    It’s also treated with a fire retardant.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Do you know if the straw is treated as well?

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  • It can be, it was/is in Canada, treated for rodent resistance, so not hard to do flame too.

    Straw has its own issues, if it gets wet, it can spontaneously combust. The heat from decomposition is enough, and it’s self oxidizing too iirc. It being sealed is what makes it easier, the heat can’t escape.

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