Having recently seen the first trilogy among Nolan's works, I wonder what opinions you hold about the movies in general. Seeing that I'm quite late to the party, I expect some strong and mature takes in the comments, but you are still free to voice any opinion you may have.

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[–] 2 points 1 hour ago

I want to know what voice Hardy gave Bane before the one we heard because I heard he was asked to change it because it sucked. I gotta hear how bad it was before the one they approved because I still wanna know why he gave him that voice.

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    I've only seen the one with Bane, and I thought it sucked.

    It felt like Bane beat Batman for no reason, and Batman just had to overcome a pointless trial where he learned nothing, to create a manufactured darkest hour. I didn't feel like Batman ideologically bested Bane, and ideology is important to Me.

    My favourite Batman bossfight is Terry McGinnis beating the Joker in Batman Beyond. Terry is a gen alpha kid who grew up on 67 and Skibidi Toilet. Terry knows funny. And the Joker isn't funny. The Joker can't stand being the butt of the joke, he can't stand being vulnerable. Vulnerability is the key to all great comedy, and the Joker can't do it. Terry defeats the Joker by out-funnying the Joker. That's meaningful.

    I never felt like anything happening in Nolan's Batman had any meaning.

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    They fall into the category of movies I liked but not enough to rewatch on my own. Those movies that never crosses my mind to put on but if it is already on I keep watching until they end.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    My hot take is 3 feels like a movie about occupy wallstreet, but Nolan wasn't allowed to show those parties having any kind of validity, and the script got rewritten. The last half is just so wildly lower in quality than the first half.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago

    Pretty good movies.

    But I think that also understates how influential they were to superhero popular culture. It bears remembering that prior to the BatTrilogy, for a decade-ish superhero films had been either the squeezed-dry sequels of B-list characters, comedies, aimed largely at kids, and/or barely resembled their source material. While 90s and early 00s Superhero comics were moving through their edgy antihero phases, films struggling to define themselves.

    The Nolan Trilogy brought the idea of Batman as a tortured loner, alienated from his family and allies, into the broader popular culture. Batman allows villains to die, spies on innocents, and eschews sidekicks. There is no Justice League. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain" is not the sentiment that pervaded superhero screen media in the years prior to the Nolan trilogy.

    Even if you don't like superhero stuff, they're worth watching just as an artifact of mid-late 00's culture, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    First movie was OK, It laid a good foundation.

    The second one was great.

    The third one was absolutely terrible.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago*

    It's pretty impressive how good the second one is considering what it's between.

    I have an unpopular opinion in that I did not like Batman Begins. The direction is great. There's a great vibe to it all. The concept is there. But imo, the really high quality of Nolan's visual directing does so much work distracting people from how lacking the movie is in actual substance.

    I don't know how he hit such gold with the second. It wasn't just the great performance from Ledger: the overall writing and story are just way, way better than the other two. Good for him, though.

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  • [–] 20 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

    I felt that they were the most definitive Batman movies we'll get for a while. I don't think it was fair for people to uphold Dark Knight Rises against the Dark Knight, because the bar was already set high. It was all a nice breath of fresh air to have a series of movies that didn't play up to a lot of fan service like the MCU did.

    To this day though, I really don't like how growling Batman got when he spoke. What was up with that? Give him a freaking cough drop.

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    [–] 6 points 12 hours ago*

    I prefer the Marvel-type superhero movies where they don't take everything so seriously and pretend that the premise isn't ridiculous. I guess I just wonder "why so serious"?

    Batman isn't an interesting character. His flamboyant rouges gallery is essential and I think a gritty/ realistic Batman-villain undercuts that.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    I didn't much enjoy them, I wasn't against the darker theme, gravelly voice etc. (Bane asides, can't stand his voice - but at least it spawned this sketch that cracks me up! https://youtu.be/1-GkQihKYvM or https://piped.video/watch?v=1-GkQihKYvM).

    Oddly the design of the batmobile & bike really bugged me, just didn't like them at all for some reason, but they do fit with the films overall at least.

    Style quibbles asides I just didn't enjoy the feel of the films, I couldn't get into the stories or characters much at all. I can't put a finger on why exactly, I just didn't enjoy them. Maybe it was the lack of cartoony villains (the 1989 version is the most impressioned film on me, not a stellar storyline, but great style & characters (Batman Returns also bug not do much)), but then I really liked The Joker, but then that is a solo story.

    Then there's the line by Alfred in the 1st film about the bats 'nesting' in the cave. As an ecologist by profession, the whole series can be burned just for that faux pas!! (Joking, but it is also unforgivable!)

    Overall, fine as a general action superhero movie series but I can't rate it highly in my experience of the Batman world.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago* (1 child)

    I wasn’t against the darker theme

    I'm one of the people who didn't like the "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" line that Batman says to Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins.

    It just really does not seem to me to fundamentally fit with the character of Batman as he's been built up over the decades. I have a hard time with Batman taking a legalistic take, and frankly, a lot of the reason that the series had recurring villains is because Batman had saved them on many occasions in many past stories.

    That being said, I suppose that there have been much more dramatic changes to comic book characters.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    I know very little about the comic book versions, but this series struck me as a clear sidestep from the overall character design in that regards. Not necessarily a bad thing, like you say, any long running character has various iterations, but Batman has always come across to me as being a character formed almost wholly by the murder of his parents, so such an opinion re Ra's al Ghul feels quite a big sidestep.

    Perhaps if Nolan leaned in a bit more and asked e.g. "what if Wayne turned out less principled and more psychotic? " that could've been an interesting take. Take Batman almost wholly out of the lore and suggest an alternative. Perhaps too risky even for someone at such a high point in his career!

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  • [–] 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

    It's mighty fantastic. I love the soundtrack - by Hans Zimmer, naturally - and I love the grittier take on an "action hero" story. Not quite as dark as the later The Batman, but that one sucked. I fell asleep.

    I strongly recommend watching them with high quality speakers! Volume UP!!!

    An acquaintance of mine who was a movie/filmography major said to me some years ago, regarding Nolan's trilogy, "I'm sorry [my real name] but this is a piece of shit." I still don't know what he meant.

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  • [–] 12 points 13 hours ago* (2 children)

    I actually enjoyed the Pattinson Batman movie. It was a callback to the Detective Comics origins. Hollywood tends to focus on the action, but Batman in the comics is first and foremost a detective. So the Battinson movie was focused on that. And for most of the movie, he was basically just a dude in a hoodie with a bike, riding around town looking for clues. The Riddler was a great villain for that kind of movie, and doing it any other way would have reduced Riddler’s entire character to just another punching bag.

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    [–] 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    i wouldn't say bale is a bad actor, but he was vastly overshadowed by the rest of the cast, at least in part 1--morgan freeman, michael caine, cillian murphy, gary oldman, and whoever else was in there

    part 2 was ok but way over hyped and overrated

    part 3 was the worst, felt like nolan phoned in the whole movie

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    [–] 3 points 10 hours ago

    They're amazing

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  • [–] 6 points 12 hours ago

    I saw them long ago. I believe I liked them - tho it gave Batman a different tone.
    It is very interesting how Batman is one of those characters that change tones swinging any direction.
    I grew up seeing episodes from the og Batman series, then the animated ones (even Batman Beyond) - and I still like Batman forever. These were all different in tones.

    The 'new' ones are more modern action movie style, in my recall it was a good popcorn flick. It reminds me of the 'new' Star Trek movies - as is not Star Trek but a good movie.

    I think I am going to do a Batman binge - thanks for the reminder :)

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 child)

    I thought all of them were excellent, though admittedly I only saw Rises the one time in the theatre. The Dark Knight stands out above the other two, though.

    I'm not a Batman or comic fan, which could explain my taste. In fact, a group of friends and I tried watching the 1989 one with no nostalgia and we all agreed to turn it off halfway through.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago* (1 child)

    tim burton's second batman was way better than the first, worth trying. danny devito nailed it as the penguin, christopher walken was an amazing corpo ceo slimeball, and michelle pfeiffer still the best catwoman

    the rest of the pre-nolan movies were all steamy diarrhea. one of them actually wrecked chris o'donnell's career

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago

    The original '89 Batman is still dope. I'm surprised @DigDoug@lemmy.world didn't like it.

    What was off? Michael Keaton is one of those actors that I think can hold an audience even with weak material, and I didn't think that was weak material at all. And that's before we even get into Jack Nicholson's Joker. Was it bad? Or did it just feel boring or something?

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  • [–] 8 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    I would describe them as pretty good, definitely worth a watch.

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    [–] 6 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

    They are fine. The worst thing about them is Bale and his weird BatVoice. Sounds exhausting lol.

    Anyway, might be unpopular opinon but I liked the 2022 Batman with Robert Pattinson better.

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    [–] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Great films, Great execution. The three movies are really good, better than every marvel

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    [–] 2 points 11 hours ago

    I don't really like them. To me their biggest flaw is gotham. Gotham is like it's own character and in his trilogy it's just chicago.

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 child)

    I think I'm an outlier here but I didn't like the first film, and I decided not to watch the other two after that.

    It is underappreciated just how much Nolan's shifty lighting and sound design does to ruin an otherwise good enough film. I have a problem with the story too, though. Batman begins is mainly background stuff. Batman does stuff like walk up to Falcone, only to have harsh words and then be forced to back off. I don't remember a lot of action happening full stop. I believe I had a problem with the pacing, and in terms of comic:realistic vibes, the vibes are more realistic - I prefer comic book movies to be more comic-cy. Stylistic, in other words. It just has a generic style. Things i like because of their stylistic cinematography are guardians of the galaxy, netflix daredevil, and James Gunn's Superman

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    Fair enough. I didn't happen to like the Dune movies, so I didn't even bother finishing the first one.

    Agree with the sound design problem. I was lucky I was able to view the trilogy at home, else I would probably have my ears blown off like a cartoon character by the end.

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