So why was it uniquely hated? Was it just another "everything millennials do is bad" thing? Was it just reactionaries associating them with "muh latte sipping liberal elites"?

Dudes just wanted to dress like 40s farmers. These trends rotate like every 20 years, so why were hipsters in particular hated?

(I have to admit I was guilty of joining in making fun of it too when I was younger, peer pressure is a fuck)

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[–] 9 points 20 hours ago

cottage core for dudes is "homesteading"

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    I remember hipsters dressing like lumberjacks and 1920s flappers, more than farmers.

    I associate the peak of hipster culture with people opening up boutique cocktail bars with cutesy themes, trying to turn arts and crafts and manual labor into a profit, when the post-2008-crash economy meant jobs were scarce and retail rents were cheap. It was a rebellion against the housing and finance based economy, but not against capitalism as a whole.

    People hated hipsters because they were a bunch of fresh out of college kids dressing weird and "refusing" to get a normal job (because the economy was fucked). Also because a lot of them were gay. Also because those hipster bars were a huge gentrification vector.

    I can't be as sure about cottagecore, because it's still happening, and I'm less in the thick of it. It is also an arts and crafts movement. But it mostly exists in pinterest mood boards, because it doesn't have a weird economic moment thrusting it into reality (except all the farmers markets in my area doubled in size this year for some reason, what the fuck is that, and is it cottagecore?).

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  • [–] 6 points 17 hours ago

    Those hipster bars ruined my city.

    Primarily PoC area (mainly black Muslims), they all got priced out of their homes and livelihoods and got replaced by those bars that put their fries in a metal basket and put a big ass knife inside the top of the burger when they serve it to you.

    City saw all that "growth" and they were gonna finally extend the metro out to that area, because I guess only white people deserve nice things.

    The hipster trend died down, shops closed up, all the white people moved away, and the original community (what's left of it) has slowly been picking up the pieces.

    Oh, and the city cancelled the plans to extend the metro out after that.

    Colonialism still exists even from within Amerikkka. What is one person's home and community can get uprooted in an instant when whitey wants to "find themself" and larps as a working class individual.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    I don't think hipster fashion can be reduced to farm aesthetic from the 1940s or any other period.

    People have different reasons to rag on hipsters depending on their own politics, but the universal critique relates to the hollowness and hypocrisy of the trend. From the Marxist perspective it’s pretty clearly a shout into the void, a search for meaning in a capitalism devoid of meaning, which I sympathize with. But that’s precisely the thing about the hipster movement: it rebels by doubling down on the forces ostensibly critiqued by it.

    Hipsters want authenticity. From an upper-middle-class, usually white perspective, they peer into perceived “authentic” cultures often of POC and global south. This is coupled with an increase in ✨wanderlust✨, white bougie people traveling to SE Asia or Latin America with a knapsack and a trust fund, with a plan to beg their way through their travels or work an odd job if they must. Back home in the suburbs and cities, they wear choice items that seem to embody the genuine culture of elsewhere. Obviously this is a cynical and materialistic way of obtaining authenticity. Aesthetic over substance, form over function. But that’s the logic of capitalism: culture is itself commodified. Rather than culture being the totality of one’s social existence, it can be congealed into aesthetic, into clothing and vintage record players.

    Individualism is another key ethic of hipsterism. The struggle for authenticity immediately confronts a contradiction with privilege. Western individualism is essentially the reflection of privilege, because as a white wealthy person, you must believe in your own difference from the masses, your uniqueness that explains your privilege. But you cannot obtain the authenticity of common folk while refusing to drop privilege and superiority. Hence another layer of hypocrisy. Culture can not only be commodified, it can be worn and removed as necessary, as one would a hat, as the situation demands.

    Again, I sympathize with the search for meaning. But meaning is to be found in real existence, not in materialistic consumption, nor in aesthetic.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    I agree, but you could also say that about any aesthetic though, including cottagecore. We don't tend to afford the same hate to the hollow aesthetic trends today that we did when hipsters were a thing

    Except maybe looksmaxxing?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    I referred to it as a trend before, but really I think of hipster as a subculture comparable to punk or hippie. As a subculture, it has to be evaluated on its own terms. There is a parallel between hipsters and hippies, as the name implies, but punk is a whole different thing.

    A mere trend doesn’t go beyond aesthetic; there is no ideology to high-rise pants or plimsolls, although both of those aesthetics might be used by this or that subculture. Aesthetics wax and wane over the years (largely driven by corporate fast fashion, but that’s another discussion) but that movement is perpendicular to culture and ideology as such.

    Being a hipster is the ideology of being a hipster, not just the aesthetic preference for thick-frame glasses and beanies. It was the rejection of the mainstream by a particular demographic, largely white urban/suburban youths, and replacing that with a distorted image of the imperial periphery. The periphery isn’t only geographical; it can include neglected communities inside the core itself, such as hillbillies and indigenous tribes. In a way, it continues a long history of psychological fixation by the privileged classes upon the underclasses. They have always been fascinated about life outside the garden, and that fascination manifests in imitation.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    So what you're saying is every rejection of capitalism becomes consumed by capitalism

    joyce-messier

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  • [–] 2 points 15 hours ago*

    The workers themselves hold a contradictory consciousness, on the one hand informed by their class interest as workers, on the other hand tainted by bourgeois ideology and some minor privileges as imperial core residents. Hence you have contradictory subcultures, confused in their lashing against the conditions of the working class.

    The task of communists is to raise the level of consciousness such that the working class can clearly process their own conditions, in order to overcome them.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    The only confirmed hipster piece of clothing is the finger moustache tattooo, everything else is am accoutrement

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    Did anyone actually get that tattooed? I only remember girls drawing the moustache on the side of their fingers.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I still don't know wtf hipsters are lol

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    cottage core is more sinister

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  • [–] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    The fascist implications of cottagecore and its roots in pastoralism and Victorian romanticism of the 18th century, drives me so bloody nuts, because it means if I dress how I'd actually like to (at least, when my fluidity decides I'm a girl), I'll be assumed to have values precisely opposite those I actually hold.


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  • [–] 17 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I think the core has something to do with the fact that it was perceived as people who had grown up with technology and computers seeking a non-technological, non digital aesthetic. There's nothing wrong with that, but I think that explains the impulse to make fun of it, because it read to many as cringe in an insincere or idealistic way.

    I also think it explains the appeal: many guys my age (self very included) still seek out that non digital aesthetic, whether because we've come to associate tech aesthetics with capitalism or if it's just a generic repulsion from what feels like the mainstream in our society that is currently being run by tech billionaires.

    The impulse to make fun of it has faded out too, along with the growing mainstream appeal of being anti-tech in the current AI bubble gig app dominated spying on kindergartners in the pool with security cameras economy. See: hatred of datacenters.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    I love how outgroups are completely decided by vibes that completely backflip on a dime. Thanks neurotypicals

    Also I wish people would learn what insincere/authentic actually means. No coming at you specifically, just I see the words thrown around in the incorrect way lately. Ironically I find myself constantly suppressing my authentic self in order to be perceived as more authentic haha

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago

    It's the constant desire to have an outgroup to chastise

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    I still don't really know what hipster fashion is supposed to be. Most of it just looks pretty normal or leaning on other aesthetics. I don't see these clear identifying elements that other subcultures often have.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I recall the term "lumbersexual" being used for a few months during the heights of that trend arc. I think it may have been sort of lesbian coded at first, and then the "metrosexual" trend sort of consumed it because "new trend". So I guess a lot of the backlash from certain rural LARPers was that the urban folks were doing their thing but more stylish perhaps.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Idk, I feel like I have a duty to make fun of every artist inspired by the Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack.

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