With the end of physical PlayStation games looming, the need for clear digital ownership rights is more pressing than ever.

For its part, Sony believes your rights are very clear: you do not own your digital games, and it's unlikely you're stupid enough to believe otherwise. At least, that's roughly the argument the company's lawyers are presenting in response to a proposed class-action lawsuit.

Sony argues that its current customer-facing disclosures ensure that "reasonable consumers would not be misled" into believing they actually own their digital games. That's according to a Game File report (paid article link) citing an August 21 filing Sony's lawyers made in California's Northern District.

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[–] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 child)

I don't think anyone expects that they are buying the exclusive copyright license for reproduction. People just want to own their copies. You know like with books.

We want this for our games: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

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  • [–] 18 points 2 days ago

    Yep so all the piracy that goes around isn't illegal either right?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 days ago

    Oh, right, so it's all just one copy that we're all sharing, then? Here's an idea in that case: let's cut out the middleman, and I'll share my copy of it with all of you for an agreed price.
    Free is my first, best and final offer.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago*

    If I can't own the game, then you're not getting my money. Piracy is the only way to actually own it.

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  • [–] 202 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    if only one person can buy GTA 6, how can more than one person rent GTA 6?

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    [–] 159 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Oh really? Then it's not a store, and it's not a sale. It's a leasing office and a lease.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 days ago* (6 children)

    Actually this is an alright solution.

    They should be forced to change the name of their platform if they want to keep using it. They should be barred from using the term "store".

    They can either continue their business model as is, (as "PlayStation Leasing") or they can change their policy to include full ownership of games and the right to transfer the games they own to other accounts.

    But they don't get to call it a "store" or use words like "buy" or "sale" if that's not what they're actually offering.

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    [–] 99 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    ... wait. That's not obvious. If it was obvious, it wouldn't be a "Buy now" it would be like a "Purchase License."

    Because thats literally how the rest of the software industry works.

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    [–] 111 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    They dont need to keep trying to convice me to never buy another Sony/ Rockstar product. They keep giving more reasons though.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago*

    That's the nice thing in digital; i own a lossless copy of it. Without your DRM, btw.

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  • [–] 79 points 3 days ago* (4 children)

    The solution seems easy enough, don't buy or rent anything from Sony until the issue is resolved.

    This is fixable if consumers band together. Nobody needs to game on a PlayStation (or play GTA on PC/PlayStation), we need water, food, shelter not GTA6

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    [–] 17 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Wish people could actually have the willpower to effectively boycott anything enough to later. Happens with iPhone every year, they bitch and moan about it being the hand phone, then go buy one.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    I boycott a lot, but its a lonely road. Boycotted Amazon for 5 years, makes Bezos the richest man in the world. Give me the feeling that my decisions absolutely changes nothing. But i do it anyway.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    I'm 37 I won't challenge that, I don't buy digital games until they're at least 50% off. Most of the time I only buy digital games when they're 75-90% off.

    Now Sony, Nintendo and Steam (mostly Sony/Nintendo) are misunderstanding me. I've got so many games to play, so many physical games. I don't need the latest EA trash, I don't need the newest boring uninspired PlayStation exclusive.

    I've got games for many many months to play. I've got so many SNES, PS1 and PS2 games to play.

    And when I run out I've got so many books to read.

    American Sony can chortle my balls. I miss PS1, PS2 and PS3 Japanese Sony

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    [–] 88 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Following that logic, pirating software is quite all right, no one is stupid enough to believe someone loses if they make a copy.

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    [–] 8 points 2 days ago

    A digital file is a physical object and you can make copies for individuals to use. I don't believe the Sony lawyers are stupid enough to believe otherwise.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    So by that logic, I am the only owner of a 2016 Subaru Impreza in the entire world.

    The Highlander saying “there can be only one!”

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    [–] 17 points 2 days ago

    Until they change every storefront to say rent instead of buy/purchase/etc I will believe it.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Do they want piracy? Because that's how you make it morally legitimate.

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    [–] 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Right, like, how "owning" a car means that you need to purchase the entire means of production required to produce said car, including all patents and trademarks.

    This guy is somehow multi-rail drifting his pseudo-capitalist argument with like, a cartoon version of communism. It's like he dropped acid and decided to become Frankenstein's Economist.

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    [–] 58 points 3 days ago

    If that's so obvious, then why not state it clearly on the packaging?

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  • [–] 41 points 3 days ago

    So when we bought games on disc, who was the one person who owned the game? John Sony San, who lives at the top of Sony Tower in Sony Plaza?

    Lol this weasel logic they'll use to justify their petty greed is ridiculous...

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  • [–] 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Ah yes, because I own my pair of jeans, or my hoodie, I'm the only person in the world with a pair of jeans and a hoodie...

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    [–] 20 points 2 days ago

    That's not what ownership of digital copies means, fuckshits.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    If we don’t own games then we should just rent them for a small fee and then when done, cancel service

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  • [–] 15 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Sony has been going to shit at LEAST ever since their fucking 2011 hack and online shutdown. Endless stupid decisions one after another. Trash.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago

    There is credible evidence to believe that after Sony JP fumbled the PS3 launch, and was losing market share to the Xbox 360, Sony US stepped in and took the reins after righting the ship in the latter half of that console generation.

    This is what I predominantly blame for the myriad of bad (anti-consumer) decisions made from the PS4 onwards.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago

    This makes my choice to stop at the ps3 a very good choice.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Sony argues that its current customer-facing disclosures ensure that “reasonable consumers would not be misled” into believing they actually own their digital games.

    They can make that argument, but I think they'll have a hard time finding evidence to support it. Judges aren't stupid, but they can be corrupt, however.

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    [–] 8 points 2 days ago

    Sounds like they went to the Donald Trump school of logic.

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