Why haven't you directly responded to any of the Zionist or genocide comments?
the bbc is openly transphobic and zionist
I'm personally not a fan of them for lying repeatedly about trans people and platforming hate against us regularly. They also are completely pro-genocide, which is utterly unexcusable.
It might have something to do with the BBC turning into a propaganda machine for Israel
The BBC wrote a story that hurt them
The BBC's editorial line is that humans are worthless, and that genocide is forgivable.
Reporting did not reinforce their world view
Any decent human should share the world view that genocide is a pressing matter.
They expected the BBC to be perfect and inevitable failures to meet that standard lead to disappointment
No one expects it to be perfect, but failure to meet expected standards means it's unworthy of existing.
They found the style of reporting annoying
It's laughable that you can use words like "annoying" when defending an organisation championing for genocide. Their reporting isn't annoying, it's psychopathic and sickening.
Perhaps some reporters were annoying
Criminals. Enemies of mankind. Monsters. Some of their reporters are monsters.
A cynic might think that something deeper is going on, for example, a systematic campaign to erode trust in the BBC.
Perhaps this is a natural and uncoordinated response to the BBCs systematic campaign to make people value some human lives over others?
For me it, with all its failings, is one of the best public broadcasting organisations in the world.
I take it you regularly come across reporting from the others and find them wanting?
I take it you regularly come across reporting from the others and find them wanting?
I do.
Apologies for failing to add /s to a number of places in my post. Clearly that would have been needed.
Because the BBC is fucking shit? It's government propaganda disguised as an independent impartial broadcaster.
Yes it makes some good content with some good talent that may make you laugh but institutionally it's anti Scottish, pro Palestinian genocide, downplays climate change to almost denial, and uses false balance to push the Overton window rightward.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC#Controversies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_independence
You need read any one of those Wikipedia articles to find a list of reasons for disliking the BBC. I recommend starting at the beginning though and going with History first of all.
The BBC's coverage on certain issues (asylum seekers, trans, disability, etc) has been inexcusably bad and has been for a while. I think it's perfectly fair to hold the public broadcaster to a high standard. The Tories were able to stuff the BBC with their people and the quality of their journalism has plummeted since, the whole thing needs serious reform and Labour don't seem interested in doing it.
I’m not a cynic, and as mentioned don’t have much of an imagination, so such thoughts don’t even cross my mind.
You wrote them out, so the thoughts clearly did cross your mind? I don't even know why you're trying to deflect this, it's not unreasonable to think foreign intelligence would try to undermine trust in the BBC, they'd be dumb not to.
But again, those doing the most to undermine trust in the BBC are the people the Tories put in charge of it.
The BBC’s coverage on certain issues (asylum seekers, trans, disability, etc) has been inexcusably bad and has been for a while.
When I compare the BBC and for example The Guardian reporting on such topics to, say, The Telegraph and any of the trash tabloids I see a big difference. The latter quite often push an agenda or try to engineer rage engagement, whereas the former don’t.
I think a much bigger problem and the root cause for how BBC reporting comes across in the kinds of topics you mention is the abysmal quality of political discourse in the UK. Too many bigots have gained too many supporters, which has given them too loud a megaphone.
I don’t think it is the BBC’s or any other journalistic organisation’s job to take that megaphone away. Their job is to report facts and ensure countering perspectives are being aired on all important topics.
I think it’s perfectly fair to hold the public broadcaster to a high standard.
I agree. For me the standard I expect is reporting facts and different perspectives so that I gain information and can make up my own mind.
… quality of their journalism has plummeted since, the whole thing needs serious reform …
Here I disagree with you, although perhaps only on the seriousness of the situation. Any big organisation will have aspects that need reform, including the BBC. I don’t agree that their journalism would have plummeted substantially. It is the political discourse that has gone to the gutters.
You wrote them out, so the thoughts clearly did cross your mind? I don’t even know why you’re trying to deflect this, it’s not unreasonable to think foreign intelligence would try to undermine trust in the BBC, they’d be dumb not to.
I can see that I should have added /s to that and couple of other points in my post.
maybe someone has grown up and realized that the BBC is just as much a propaganda machine as the rest. who knows what their reasons are.
People are expressing distaste for the state media for a state that supports an active genocide? that's so crazy, there's no other explanation than a coordinated conspiracy to discredit its unimpeachable reputation
Consistent Pro-Israel bias. When people see a livestreamed genocide against the Palestinian people by an apartheid state they tend to get pretty frustrated by outlets sweeping it under the rug
I'm negative about the BBC because of persistent bias in their reporting caused as a result of the Tories replacing the majority of board and senior positions with their cronies.
Academic studies have shown they have a clear bias in their political reporting. They deflect the criticism by having left leaning comedians which is not exactly a counterweight.
It's structurally rotten and I refuse to pay the TV licence while it is so.
Academic studies have shown they have a clear bias in their political reporting.
Interesting. Would you be able to point me to any?
their biased reporting on the Israeli genocide of Palestine is enough to question the accuracy of any news they report. You don't need to report too many lies before you lose all credibility.
I'm glad we have the BBC and I follow its news, but it has its problems and deserves criticism on some fronts.
Not an exhaustive list by any means but it's very prone to legitimising harmful attitudes by false equivalence, and it's very TERFy/transphobic.
it has its problems and deserves criticism on some fronts
I agree. I don’t have any problem with the BBC being criticised. What I do have a problem with is how intellectually shallow and borderline childish such criticism often is, as is evident in many of the other comments.
prone to legitimising harmful attitudes by false equivalence
I don’t see that in their journalism. I see them reporting countering perspectives on topics.
it’s very TERFy/transphobic
I would attribute the fault to the current political climate, not the BBC.
Whitewashing a genocide is enough of a reason for me to never trust another thing they ever say, ever again.
The BBC as a whole is great. The news programming though...
It's admittedly still one of the better ones - and on non-political reporting is probably still fairly trustworthy, but it's been shifting further and further right for the last 15 years, to the point where it's just embarrassing to pretend they're anywhere near balanced these days. It spends an awful lot of time promoting Nigel Farage for something which is pretending to be impartial.
I think the shift in reporting is a reflection of the society more than anything else.
Perhaps - though the comedy, drama, radio, documentaries etc are mostly still fairly "centre to centre left" - it's mostly just the news reporting.
It often seems like the "shift in society" has been manufactured, and that that the BBC have been part of this manufacture - and that shift is really just a change in boldness, volume and support - people are loud and proud about hating people over race or gender etc.
I feel a far larger part of the shift was when the Tories threatened the BBC with funding cuts, cancellation and "sharing the licence fee with poor impoverished media tycoons like Rupert Murdoch" unless they removed their "left wing bias" (actually central bias at the time) and starting promoting a "balanced" (actually right to far-right) viewpoint. This was accompanied by sacking and replacing key staff members with their own right-promoting appointees.
That's continued and got worse - they've spent much of the last decade promoting the voices of increasingly extreme right-wing viewpoints, and either silencing, mocking or generating controversy about any minor centre or left-wing viewpoints.
None of those people changed when the government did, so it's stayed in the right and possibly drifted even further. Remember that in terms of many of its social policies, our current Labour government is more right wing than Cameron's Tory government was.
As a long-time radio nerd and devotee of the various BBC radio networks, I have to draw a thick, thick line between BBC broadcast and BBC news.
The news side of things is hateful. Jiving away in the kitchen to Craig Charles' Funk & Soul show, having a good time, then BOOM! a news headline about what Reform will do when they're in power. There's no reason to parrot those awful racist pricks, and they're are far more important stories, but BBC news thinks this is what we should hear. Literally the only time I ever hear about 'small boats' is when BBC news takes the time to tell me about how many of them there are while I'm trying to enjoy some good radio.
The BBC isn't perfect, I know this. But you only have to compare British and American broadcasting to see that it's pretty much the only thing stopping our TV and radio from becoming the same level of dog shit as they have in the States.
In Canada we have the same issue with the CBC.
The CBC also deserves criticism especially for its coverage of Israel, but the majority of the criticism comes from the right wing about CBC's "bias".
Now the CBC is biased, it is a liberal institution that ultimately works to reinforce the state, but that's not the claim from the right wing. The claim from the right wing is that the CBC is a left wing institution that cannot be trusted.
With those people and criticisms, this is absolutely a move to erode trust in the public broadcaster, dismantle it, and allow fully privatised media like the USA. People like Rupert Murdoch and other billionaires in media absolutely want this. They want the mainstream right wing propaganda outlets to be the "default" (SKY news, etc in the UK) and smaller, hard right outlets to be the alternative.
The UK is facing privatisation of the NHS and multiple other institutions right now, you should expect that they're working to privatise the BBC. For all the BBCs faults, public broadcasters are absolutely a force for (not good maybe) moderation in media. They should continue to exist, and they should be improved to further moderate/improve all media.
I dont have trust in the bbc as an impartial reporter of the news. I dont believe any one outlet could ever achieve that accolade or should be treated as a singular gospel source of truth. They are just one provider and a balanced view of the world needs reading across providers, party lines and preconceptions.
I think they deserve criticism and challenge but not to be singled out for such or expected to achieve unrealistic goals.
Only a fool or a cultist will trust a single source. A balanced view does indeed need being open to multiple perspectives, and trying to recognise agendas behind what is being reported.
Look. I like BBC. Many of my friends like BBC. But BBC is not for everyone. Not everyone is as open to it. Thats not a bad thing as long as they allow the rest of us to enjoy BBC.
It would be a great loss if the BBC would cease to exist. Some of its critics seem hell-bent on achieving that. Thankfully many of still criticise with improvement in mind.
Uk seems to hate itself, the idea that you begrudge the tv license but pay for American shot is beyond me.
BBC is opppsing trump in A spectacular British fashion
I am liking the BBC playing the large orange pant shitter at his own game and him hating it.
I hold all news outlets in the same regard, they sensationalise or ignore when it suits them and are there as Ad space more than anything for the most part. Clickbait. Clickbait. Clickbait. Traffic, Ads, REVENUE.
The cycle has kinda put me off most news sites/feeds.
Genuine question: what's "American shot" and how are we paying for it?
They meant 'American shit' e.g. not paying TV license but paying for a Netflix/Amazon Prime Video etc subscription and the like
American shit methinks
Oh right that makes more sense, here's me looking it up on Wikipedia and thinking it has to do with American cowboy films or something.
The BBC buys a lot of American shot too, funded by our so- called licence fee, which is in reality a TV tax. We get little choice in it and that is a problem with the BBC.
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