The Commons.
Damn tragedy, I tell ya.
The Commons.
Damn tragedy, I tell ya.
The planet?
Free food. We throw away billions of pounds of food because if it doesn't sell, they toss it.
Literally nobody should ever go hungry.
We can't have this because companies see giving away products as lost profits, and politicians see it as some handout.
Making sure a struggling human eats a warm sandwich does not change the billionaire eating lobster truffle caviar.
What are you really saying though?
Here charities do sell a lot of this food, where it's possible and viable to do so.
You can't sell food which is out of date because there's a high likelihood it will be harmful.
Yes, there is a lot of food waste, but IMO that's the inefficiency of logistics rather than greed or trust.
A major part of the "inefficiency of logistics" is caused by greed. It costs too much to distribute... because it doesn't make them enough money to do so.
lobbying works because we can't trust people. we trust money instead.
so, i guess in the proper response format, incorruptible representatives?
we could make lobbying illegal, but then what would be the point of becoming a public servant?
not really sure i got the point here. is it that public servants only exist because there's lobbying?
the point is that people go into public service these days to get rich because of lobbying.
after winning the lottery, winning an election, esp a federal one, is one of the fastest ways to go from normal person to 8 figures in wealth.
Pretty sure its a joke and you just wooshed.
Community sheds.
Imagine a house-sized (or larger) lot in the neighborhood thats just a shed. You go in, theres a few lawnmowers, a chainsaw or two, all kinds of power tools and hand tools, hoses, a couple of printers. Whatever you might imagine in a hardware store that isn't bought and immediately consumed, it's in there, because some neighbor saw the need once, bought it, and stored it. One day you, say, realize you need a voltage tester, and you don't own one, so you go to the community shed, realize one isn't in there, buy one, use it, and then put it away in the community shed. No one else in the entire neighborhood needs to buy one, they'll find it in the shed.
So handy, but it relies on trusting your neighbors. Trusting them to return things, but more than that, trusting them to bother to contribute, help to keep it organized, and to replace things when they break.
We couldn't have such a thing here because the surrounding cities round up and dump all their crackheads and methheads here, meaning nothing that isn't nailed down can sit outdoors without being stolen within the hour. They're a plague here and the police are completely and utterly useless.
my city has bike repair stations that are like this.
after a few months, all the tools are stolen or destroyed. now there are a ton of shitty bike repair stations around the city that are all broken.
What we need is to replace the tools, fix up the stations, add a friendly sign that it’s a community space, and station a sniper on a nearby rooftop.
Some places have tool libraries which work the same way.
Tool libraries are a thing, lots are setup by the community hall.
I mean...
We have governments for a reason, there's nothing stopping a local government from making a "tool library" where someone who needs a tool can go, get documentation or maybe even training, and check the tool out.
Since it would be an actual government program, we could even have a city worker staffing it.
Like, there's actual good things we can do with the money we seize from billionaires via taxes.
However you start talking gas powered tools like chainsaws and mowers, and there's going to need to be a maintenance budget.
Idk if it's so simple. I'm a part of some community efforts along those lines and inventory management still needs done. Not to say "your dream is impossible", quite the contrary. Recognize the radical template that the library gives us!
I would want a community printer!
Your local library doesn't have one?
I'm prepared to get raked over the coals because this is a hot topic on the fedi, but Communism
It sounds great on paper. It's never worked though, either because domestic power corrupts, or foreign influence destabilizes it for their own ends.
In fairness, the same can be said about the free market and democracy. No matter what system you live under, rich assholes will throw you and your grandma into the grinder to make an extra dollar that they won't even spend.
I don't think that means we shouldn't try to do better. The common thread behind corruption everywhere is that it's driven by rich assholes, so maybe that's the place to start excising the disease from.
Sorry, I'm gonna be that guy; this is one of those thought terminating cliches that people love to repeat, but it doesn't actually hold up to scrutiny.
Everything you just described is a problem with literally any political system, as you yourself acknowledged. You literally shot down your own argument, in the same breath as you made it, and then left the falsehood hanging out there anyway. Why? If you've already determined that your case against communism, specifically, is actually just a case against all forms of corruption in any political system, so why would you even post this?
And to dig further into the underlying premise, the idea that Communism "can't work because people can't be trusted" is genuinely ludicrous. Let's set aside the arguments about political corruption, because you already disposed of those yourself, and consider the other framing this is usually given; that any form of commons will be abused. That people are lazy, or selfish, and so sharing is impossible. This sounds intuitively correct, but it simply isn't true.
First off, communism actually requires less trust in people, not more. Communism says "Let's share resources equitably. Let's make sure people actually have what they need so that no one person can take too much." It's capitalism that says "Let's give everyone the freedom to take as much as they can and then blindly trust that somehow a few individuals won't climb their way to the top and horde everything for themselves." The whole "People are greedy" argument is an argument against capitalism, and it's the exact problem that communism solves.
Then there's the "People are lazy and no one will work" argument. We've actually tested this. Multiple countries have run trials of UBI, and in every single case, employment actually went up. When you pay people to do anything they want, including not working, it turns out people actually want to work. People like feeling useful. People like having things to do, and contributing to stuff, and feeling like they're making a mark. The claim that everyone is inherently lazy is thoroughly debunked bullshit peddled by right wing news networks, with no basis in reality.
There's this adage, "The tragedy of the commons"; "commons" referred to land and other resources that were held in common good. Most typically, a "commons" would be a piece of land in a village where everyone could graze their animals. These eventually went away, and the saying supposes that it did so because of a fundamental human failing; a thing shared by everyone became everyone's responsibility, and so it became no one's responsibility. Everyone left the care of the commons to someone else, and so the commons died uncared for.
This adage is complete bullshit. Commons existed for hundreds of years without issue. They went away when we started allowing wealthy capitalists to buy and enclose those common lands and start charging rent for them, or building on them. The people who shared the commons did so without issue for generations. It was allowing a greedy few to do whatever they wanted that killed them.
You're right, we should try to do better. So maybe be the change, and stop repeating right-wing propaganda. They've got enough people on their payroll spreading these lies for them, you don't need to do it for free.
Socialism has always worked. Power is not a supernatural corrupting force, nor is socialism especially weak to corruption as compared to capitalism. Socialism has been a tremendous advancement everywhere it has been established, even in the face of foreign siege. The idea that all systems are the same in effect is an abstraction that is entirely unrelated to the material reality of socialism as compared to capitalism.
a livable planet
24/7 supermarkets, an internet where people could be more open, more night activities, legal drugs
Do this not exist where you live?
Not in my area either. There were a lot of 24x7 Grocery stores pre -2020.
I am not sure that they reduced hours because of not trusting people though. I am sure they reduced hours because people get a lot more delivered.
Free condoms in unsupervised containers. Some shithead with a needle will do shithead things. Probably post it to InstaTok or whatever too.
don't most campuses and other public health places have free condoms?
It's a common feature. Due to a well-earned lack of trust, they are usually placed somewhere that allows an employee to watch for shenaniganery. If people weren't garbage, this monitoring would not be necessary.
Feels like the only issue here is the "unsupervised" part. A simple mechanical dispenser would solve the problem.
Yeah, it's a problem with multiple solutions in the real world but they could be left out in the open and forgotten until it's time to restock in the everybody-is-good-iverse.
If people could be trusted, STD could be a thing of the past.
the problem with social trust is it's racist and classist, inherently.
people overwhelmingly trust people who look/talk/speak like themselves, but distrust those who are different.
hence homogeneous societies have very high trust levels, and those that are heterogeneous do not. as societies diversify, their social trust levels drop.
world peace
A communal bathtub in every neighborhood. You know exactly why we can't have this. Because Dave would fill them with pudding.
Bowling together. (And a lot of other social things that are a result of a lack of trust, not lacking trust directly related to said activity... unless you're counting high cost/private equity as part of broken trust)
How is bowling together bad because you can’t trust people? I mean how do you cheat at bowling? Sorry but I’m confused what you were trying to say
I feel like I covered it in the other half of my comment. See also Bowling Alone for further context. Car-centric living (and sprawl) is a big part of it in the US.
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