cross-posted from: https://reddthat.com/post/70827890
Few adult men are killed by adult women. Our fear is real
Why is this here?
Don't know whether to upvote for spreading awareness of women's issues or downvote for encouraging gender wars discourse
It's in a shitpost sub, it's ragebait. I use it to block misogynists so that's something.
lemmy shitpost never fails to amaze me with how concentrated its ragebait is
Lil' bit of ragebait has always been part of shitposting, but usually it's at least funny ragebait
Ah yes, the very unbiased and fair comparison between murder and podcast incels. There are no real issues that men are facing...
I don't understand why people can't support women while supporting men too. I can. You can do too. It is not women vs men. It is tradition/sexism vs individual freedom/respect.
On the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, most men do not understand that to be a woman means constantly being in danger.
"But not all men are-" I know. Everyone knows. There's good people of every gender, that's not in question. The problem is that people keep saying "Not all men" in direct response to women expressing that they don't feel safe. Same energy as telling a black person "All lives matter".
There's the men this meme is about, and there's the men this meme is for, and the venn diagram is two separate circles. The assholes with the podcasts aren't going to understand, because they're the problem. They think that by being nice they're entitled to sex, and then get vindictive when no sex. Most everyone else doesn't understand because the thought of being such a douch doesn't occur to them.
While it’s not an “excuse”, I think the “explanation” tends to be that speech from Nick in Zootopia: If people are going to regard you as shifty and untrustworthy, why bother being anything else.
Like I said, not a valid reason, but I do see how that toxic manosphere grows through fear.
I hate these kinds of posts too. All they do is promote division in these times we have to stick together against the billionaires
The worst part... it works. E.g. on me, and i know. It is difficult to see these kind of posts, which are clearly misandry, and then hear people deny the trend for misandry, especially online.
OBVIOUSLY there is a shit tonne of misogyny, especially online and that is a big problem. But we shouldn't ignore the trend to misandry. It is not a competition and we fight against misogyny better if we fight sexism in general, I believe.
But the posts make me feel like a shocking amount of people are not against sexism but just misogyny. How am I supposed to feel like those are not my enemy when I am opposed to sexism?
Then I spend time with the people that I love and I am good again but... it is fucking poison.
The world would be better if we had better empathy for each other. I don't think the poster thinks that men's problems don't exist. However so many men seemed to have interpreted it that way. I think the poster is just asking for empathy. There's no need to be defensive about it if you're a guy. All they're asking for is awareness of their problem. We can do better than just dismissing their concerns outright.
This is just instagtam grade ragebait. There are more productive ways we can discuss issues specific to gender and this kind of bullshit is not helping. I come to lemmy to get away from other social media gender wars horseshit.
Well, the first paragraph happens a lot and for real reasons,
The second paragraph is exceedingly rare, but not zero
But the overall sentiment is not wrong
The best this post can hope to achieve is to bait the people who perpetuate b into the open where people who are pissed off that A has to happen can make them defend their position and thusly make an incredibly small chance to make a difference.
Counterpoint: https://archive.ph/s0bTd
And she only got caught because she went to the police. Most accusations are only meant to destroy careers, so never come close to anything even remotely investigative. HR washes their hands of the man, (usually) blackballs him in the industry, and never tries to find out anything more beyond the woman’s accusation.
Cherry on top:
As for the good Samaritan, he says the incident has deterred him from helping a young woman ever again.
Men are seeing incidents like this, and learning by example before painful experience hammers it home.
The article is 7 years old. That's how far you have to go back to find an example
I like to turn the shower on and fill the tub up and pretend I’m in a submarine that’s been hit
The overwhelming majority of men aren't doing that shit.
Any amount of men doing that shit is unacceptable.
Same as mothers committing infanticide, parental alienation, paternity fraud, rape and many other crimes.
Acting like an entire gender is guilty of the crimes of a few is inherently wrong and it is called collective responsibility, and it can also be played both ways, which is a complete waste of time.
It just leads to fighting, throwing blame around and it does not help bring solutions to the people actually suffering.
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