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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Lol this group is like “doesn’t matter” all of a sudden.

Wish I had the energy to go back to the old threads and reply to all the “IDF is lying” comments.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (35 children)

I guess you would have a point if Israel didn't routinely bomb civilians and didn't routinely lie about it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First it was obviously Israel that purposefully fired at the hospital and a huge deal, then it slowly changed to "doesn't matter, it's Israel's fault anyway for starting the war".

It's incredible

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Younger generation totally fine with Hamas attacking civilians but angry that Israel retaliated and attacked sites that launched rockets is pretty astounding.

All up in arms that Palestinians are dying but not once asking why all the Palestinians were fine with Hamas digging tunnels and hiding military equipment in their backyards.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (18 children)

Now that Israel just openly declares it is bombing and invading hospitals, the fog of war bullshit really doesn't matter anymore.

Maybe this one hospital strike was a rocket. What about all the other ones?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, so maybe you're right, maybe I did steal money from your purse, push grandma down the stairs when she got in my way, left the milk out over night, shit in Dad's shoes while high on meth, smoked crack in the alley, slapped all my cousins alphabetically, poured cocaine on the dog, but I swear, I didn't smoke crack in my bedroom and I don't like being accused of things I didn't do!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (8 children)

My understanding is this lie was used by Hamas to isolate Israel from Arab nations where much of the public was frankly horrified by the brutal violence Hamas had aimed specifically at civilians. So no, it wasn't just "the one relatively inconsequential thing," it is a lie that has had serious consequences.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's also a large part of why people believe everything Hamas says (e.g. death tolls) while also refusing to believe anything Israel says.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

The reason people believe Gazan death tolls is that they're found to be reliable by almost every organization working in the region. And the reason most people refuse to believe what Israel says without confirmation is because they've been caught lying on multiple occasions, many times going as far as fabricating evidence (remember the Al-Shifa calendar)?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

This is the entire reason for the 10/7 attack. Israel is normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia and this was a planned and timed move by Hamas to try to stop that.

It did not work.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

What other ones, specifically?

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