Calm yourselves. Almost all of them have already left again.
message for everyone: immigrants aren't cattle or numbers, they are people just like you
The crisis has reopened one of Europe’s most politically divisive debates, more than a decade after over a million people, many fleeing the war in Syria, arrived on the continent during the 2015 migration crisis.
There are some estimates we'll see something like 1.5 billion climate refugees until 2050, but that might be overblown and globally. But still the numbers will explode for Europe until the rest of the century.
Unlike the USA, many EU countries have much higher population density. It would be hard to physically absorb such scales. And there certainly won't be a political will by the people to accommodate as many as possible. I'd love an effort to build ultra high density metropolis's for some kind of post scarcity living for millions, but that seems unlikely. And an unwillingness to address this makes the rise of fascist parties in Europe pretty much inevitable.
As long as there is prosperity and a positive outlook for the future, populations are generally quite fine with things, but that is not the case any more. We have something like 6% Muslim population (only a quarter practicing though) and millions of Ukrainian refugees in the EU. For most people this is already too much.
Ultimately climate change means genocide and we haven't really done shit. These refugees are only the first waves.
I’d love an effort to build ultra high density metropolis’s for some kind of post scarcity living for millions, but that seems unlikely.
There will never be post scarcity. AI will take any available resources. If you want such a structure, you can start building now.
Would you try to influence culture or would you accept whatever raw market mechanisms create?
Total shitshow: Ceuta is not part of Schengen. Ceuta has a border fence. The polish fence will also not hold when 50.000 people try to storm it. And Ceuta is in Africa and there is no way that those 50.000 people will be able to cross into Spain itself. And most of them have already left Ceuta. So fuck this guy?
Fucking right wing propaganda. Ceuta is in Africa and has no connection with the mainland, asshole. This should prompt a united response against Morocco, this constitutes an act of aggression. These right wing cunts are always looking for an opportunity to sow discord within the Union, its purely destructive.
Nothing but opportunists all across Europe (and especially in Italy). Instead of uniting against what is obviously an act of aggression by Morocco against Spain, they attack the Spanish government and exaggerate the situation with the aim of benefiting their respective parties at home (The Schengen area is not at stake, for those who don't know geography, Ceuta is in Africa, it's isolated. Heck! It isn't even part of the Schengen area in the first place).
There are many things for which it is fair to criticize Sanchez, but this is not one of them.
Ceuta is in Africa
what is the spanish government doing in Africa?
The Schengen area is not at stake, for those who don't know geography, Ceuta is in Africa, it's isolated. Heck! It isn't even part of the Schengen area in the first place
I believe the danger they see is that these people are now allowed to ask for asylum, and while waiting on that the decision are free to roam Spain. Since there are no internal border checks, they can basically travel all around the Schengen area and ask for another asylum in the next country. i'm not really sure of the exact rules, but them hanging around in Ceuta is not the danger they see.
Does spain not fingerprint them at the start of their application?
How are they going to get to the mainland? I kinda doubt the government will ship them across.
What the hell even happened there? Morocco relaxed borders and immigrants flooded Ceuta? As far as I read 37k out of 61k went right back shortly after that as well. Some 60 also drowned.
But what were they even fleeing from? Were they paid to do this move and took the opportunity out of desperation?
It all seems weird as hell.
Morocco shipped trucks full of "immigrants" to the due to "special circumstances" relaxed border, soon after Israel threatened Spain with immigrant waves. Most of the "immigrants", with no luggage, walked back after.
Not only "relaxed". It gave quite a helping hand apparently.
What the fuck.
All the while Trump aparently said that this is due to the extreme far left..
Bruh.
The speed at what the Italian fascist responded closing the fucking schengen border really seems...coordinated. But what do I know.
Fascism causes problems and claims they're solving them, while capitalism causes fascism. But out of the ashes of capitalism, we can rebuild liberated socialism and communism - by council and by the commoner!
Not fleeing per se, just wanting better opportunities. Some of them might be unemployed and desperate, but most likely none of them had guns to their heads if that's what you're asking.
Not a literal gun perhaps, but as you said, they're desperate, so a metaphorical gun is certainly to their heads.
*To save Schengen from brown people. You forgot that part, Tusk.
Poland's example? As in build a fence in the middle of forest, expel journalists and send army to illegally return asylum seekers to Belarus? The main problem I see is that people are swimming to Ceuta and putting a fence on water will be complicated. Not because it's hard but because people will die. The second problem is that it's not in a forest and you will not be able to expel the press from there so everyone will see people drowning. But don't give up Tusk, keep thinking.
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