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[–] 131 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

He literally begged Epstein to let him show up on the Epstein child sex trafficking island. It doesn't take a genius to answer the title.

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  • [–] 80 points 1 month ago (51 children)

    This image seems like misleading bull shit. This seems to be the law referenced: https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-artificial-intelligence-nudification-x-elon-musk-deepfake-131184be939d540de093b567b12c9e16

    It makes companies liable for people using ai for nudification (which of course includes children). Musk argues the law is a bit to far reaching ( claims the law considers some body parts, that are commonly displayed in public, as private parts and also that the company can get in trouble for people nudifying themselves).

    I don't know how legitimate Musk's concerns are, but the image is extremely misleading.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    The damages are brought up in a civil trial, so I guess while someone could bring a case to trial for nudifying themselves, I imagine it'd be tossed out immediately:

    An individual depicted in an image or video that was nudified in violation of this section may bring a civil action in district court against the person who violated this section

    These are the body parts listed:

    "Intimate parts" includes the primary genital area, groin, inner thigh, buttocks, or breast of a human being.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yeah, its not naked kids specifically but "nudification" in general. And what's considered private? A woman's chest? OK but how far down? Stuff like that.

    I'd imagine Google or Apple or any tech/AI company would do the same to protect their product or whatever. But they make it seem like this was a tool Elon specifically designed so he can see naked kids.

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    [–] 48 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Exactly when again is the wildest party on your friends’ island, Elon?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Elon was friend with Jeff but Jeff wasn't friends with him. Kinda awkward.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Dear Elon:

    Your requests to visit the island for one of my wildest parties have become annoying, and I'm tired of side-stepping them, so I'm going to be straight with you: You will NOT be visiting my island.

    It's hard enough to keep these girls in the game as it is, forcing them to pretend to enjoy fucking these fat old sweaty pervs. You are scary enough with your clothes on, I can't imagine how terrified the girls would be with a naked goblin hopping around, hollering incomprehensible nonsense. They're only little girls, after all.

    So, the answer is No, you can't come to my island. Stop begging.

    Your friend,

    Jeff

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Because building a tool that can do anything is easier than building a tool that can't do evil.

    It's the gun argument, where they absolve themselves and pass all responsibility to the end user.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This is the grownup and correct answer imo

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    It may be the grownup answer, but given the absolute prevelence of baby rape amongst the epstein class.. We can wager that its not the correct answer, because it is stopping them from accessing a kind of baby rape (that was probably generated thanks to hundreds of thousands of images of actual baby rape being used in training).

    because lets face it, Theres been no repercussions for any of it thus far, Why would they expect there to be any in the future.

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    [–] 27 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    I mean... why would you imagine a person would block the banning of child porn? Occam's razor says he enjoys child porn.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Honestly, fuck Musk, but the fact that we're willing to throw away all of our principles simply because Musk is involved is pretty terrifying to witness. Remember, every privacy-violating and rights-stripping law is sold as being "for the children." And those selling those laws make a point to sell the laws in ways that appeal to both sides. When selling it to Democrats, they'll highlight Musk's opposition. When selling it to Republicans, they would find some Democrat who opposed it. And people of both parties eat it right up.

    For example, even the headline is deceiving. Think about it critically. Why would the Minnesota legislature need to ban AI-generated child porn? Child porn is already incredibly illegal, regardless of how it's made.

    What the law actually does is to attempt to ban or restrict AI-based nudify apps, where you can upload an image of someone and have it remove their clothes. This applies to images of everyone, not just children. And just like the case of facial scans and ID uploading, inevitably such a law will restrict a hell of a lot more than just child porn.

    From another article:

    In the 38-page lawsuit, xAI — whose AI model chatbot and image generator Grok is available on the social media platform known as X, formerly Twitter, and elsewhere — said it does not contest the state’s interest in banning the distribution of AI-generated nude images of real people without their consent. But it said Minnesota’s law “extends far beyond that goal,” banning many constitutionally protected images and video and subjecting the company to a penalty of $500,000 per violation.

    What legitimate uses might exist? Well what if I want to use a nudify program on images of myself? I don't particularly want to do that. But why shouldn't I be able to? My body. My image. My choice. My computer. What if a sex worker wants to do so? Or if you lock down LLMs to try to keep them from generating such images, what other types of images that have nothing to do with nonconsensual pornography will you also restrict?

    You should generally be extremely skeptical of anyone selling a policy "for the children." In almost every case, the real goal is stripping away broader rights.

    To me, this seems a lot like banning cameras in the name of fighting child pornography.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Well what if I want to use a nudify program on images of myself? I don’t particularly want to do that. But why shouldn’t I be able to?

    "Well what if I want to use a bank robbery to withdraw money from my own bank account? I don't particularly want to do that. But why shouldn't I be able to?"

    Get in front of a mirror and take a fucking picture of yourself nude if you so wish.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Think about it critically. Why would the Minnesota legislature need to ban AI-generated child porn? Child porn is already incredibly illegal, regardless of how it’s made.

    To make a quick reply, you might want to look in to that. In some places if it isn't a deepfake of a real child it's as legal as the anime folk who draw the same awful shit, including some of the US.

    Seems weird as fuck to me, because that's putting the burden of proof on law enforcement and the courts to show that a person or act in a very real looking image actually took place. Checking now I see some things saying it's not specifically criminalized in 10 states and some things saying 5.

    I'd say at least the federal government has made it clear it's considered every bit as bad as non-ai images of the same thing, but I can't even bring myself to believe the federal government is doing a damn thing about child rape any more. :/

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    To be fair, what's the point of the bill? Child porn is already illegal. It's like the bills banning non-citizens from voting.

    While they're at it, why not ban murder, theft, and drunk driving?

    Historically, bills like this that appear to be so obviously "good" are often traps that contain unrelated, nefarious shit. Like hiding a ban on abortion inside a bill that's supposed to be about banning something everyone hates.

    I'm highly skeptical of the bill but at the same time I wouldn't put it past Elon to be against it for all the wrong reasons 🤷

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I read the bill and there are explicit provisions about prohibiting websites from allowing users to create nudified images without technical skill. I don't know existing laws but they might not have put the onus on the company/website and just on the users. This is the full bill, it's a single page: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/94/2025/0/HF/1606/versions/latest/

    EDIT: Should point out that the bill is for any unwanted AI Generated nudes of identifiable people, not just minors.

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    [–] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Musk is already directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people at the very least.

    He is not vile

    He is pure evil

    When I grew up, I saw so many cartoons and kid shows that showed some evilndude being stopped by a hero and if not that, all of humanity

    In reality, there are no heroes, just humanity, and much, if not most of humanity doesn't even allow him to live, they allow himn to continue to kill and they celebrate his evil mind

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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    [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    We must PROTECT the Children by OUTLAWING Child Porn Creators! ALLOWING Child Porn Creators to know EXACTLY where Children are ALL The time via ID Verifications!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    It's his free speech to let others see your children naked!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    In the UK before AI even existed our laws covered this and make it illegal.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Afaik loli is also illegal and considered CSAM in the US so I have no idea why AI images wouldnt be similarly illegal

    Logically, I mean. Practically, like most things in America, I know the answer is "because rich people want it that way, fuck you"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I imagine this is related to people using Grok to undress others?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material), not child porn. Child porn implies they are complicit or that its a genre of porn. CSAM confirms that it exists exclusively to abuse children and they were abused in the making.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    PORNOGRAPHY the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures, movies, or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

    Pornography is not a wrong word to use, and children can never consent to sexual acts. If children are involved in pornography it is abuse material and nothing else. There is no need to make up a new word for it.

    CSAM gives the same vibes as MAP instead of paedophile

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    [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Oh gee, I simply can’t imagine why. It’s a total mystery. /headscratch

    Apropos of nothing, he’s always struck me as the sort of person who ‘well actually’s with ephebophilia, and his weird breeder fetish totally squicks me out.

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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm guessing for 4 reasons,

    1. He likes it
    2. He thinks (maybe knows) his following tends to like it
    3. His following will pay lots of money for it
    4. He's a narcissist
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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    the entire point of AI is to remove accountability from the process. if there are consequences, theres no reason to use AI and Elon's investments are wasted.

    TEMU Lex Luther can fuck right off

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'm more concerned about the origins of data used by Musk's Company to train the models !

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