"Threadiverse Major Defederations Graph" (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 days ago by LemmySlopSkimmer@hexbear.net to c/slop@hexbear.net

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In the graph above I've arranged the 28 Threadiverse instances with at least 200 monthly active users (MAU)—orange instances running Lemmy, green Piefed, and red Mbin—on the basis of which instances they defederate.

Each instance has its MAU count listed below it, sourced from the latest MAU figures at Fediverse Observer, with adjustments made to the totals for Piefed (due to undercounting by outdated instances, as noted here; I used @Vicinus@piefed.zip's suggested estimate of 7,200 Piefed users) and Mbin (due to tardigram.com having a duplicate listing).

After adjustments, there are an estimated 43,287 monthly active Threadiverse users (35,184+7,200+903), of whom 87.84% are on the 28 largest instances. The percentages listed alongside the MAU figures correspond to each instance's share of the total MAU count.

Defederation data was sourced from Federation Checker. The tool doesn't support Mbin instances, so I left fedia.io in its own category. If any defederations are missing, feel free to let me know. Ideally such a chart should also include community blocks to better illustrate which instances block what, but that data doesn't appear to be as easily searchable.

I also noticed cases of some instances being listed as being defederated by another instance, despite not appearing on the defederation list for that instance (i.e. reddthat.com and lemmygrad.ml are listed as being mutually blocked, despite neither having the other on their block lists). In testing that federation, I noticed that !wholesome@reddthat.com did not federate to Lemmygrad while !memes@reddthat.com did, so clarification on that matter would be helpful.

While I'll update my generalized chart as needed to correct errors, perhaps at some point an automated federation mapping tool similar to the one feddit.de formerly hosted could be developed to more completely illustrate instance federation.

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[-] christian@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I joined lemmy six or seven years ago because I am very much a proponent of decentralized social networks, but I really couldn't forsee how stupid this instance wars drama is. I idealize not caring about this garbage. (Unless you're an admin, in which case thank you for getting your hands dirty.)

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 46 points 2 days ago

this couldve been visualized in a million better ways lmao

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

yeah, i can't make heads or tails of what this is trying to communicate.

[-] Nopeace@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago

I spent 24 seconds trying to understand what that graph actually says and I think that was 23 too many.

[-] Chana@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

Data visualization is my passion

[-] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago

This graph is bad, it would've been easier read if they didn't force it to be a flowchart

[-] LemmySlopSkimmer@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What the hell are Hexbear and Lemmygrad and what did they do that everyone’s blocking them?

To add an annecdote, hexbear has this handy link to an image: (nsfw) https://hexbear.net/PPB

Ask yourself why a discussion platform might keep this image quick-link and you may understand why everyone defederates from them.

Lemmygrad and Hexbear (I think) are instances filled with “tankies”, which means that they can’t shut up about how awesome authoritarian regimes that present themselves as communist, like China, and some others, like Russia, are, despite all the crimes against human rights those countries’ governments keep committing (according to tankies, the governments they support don’t actually commit any atrocities, it’s just “lies spread via anti-communist propaganda”, which they also use as a excuse for silencing anyone presenting criticism about their favourite regimes). Please keep in mind that lots of communists don’t see countries like China as communist, despite the countries calling themselves that.

As these instances have lots of tankies, they tend to have toxic communities. Their users also tend to hate trans people for some reason, and sometines try to harass people because of it, which is a big no-no to instances that want their trans users to feel safe, such as Blåhaj Zone.

Lammygrad are Marxist Leninist, Hexbear are dirtbag leftists. That makes them the natural enemies of center-left and centrist instances like .world. In my opinion it comes down to a disagreement over capitalism. One side wants to destroy it, the other side wants to moderate it.

[-] Mutalisk@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Their users also tend to hate trans people for some reason, and sometines try to harass people because of it, which is a big no-no to instances that want their trans users to feel safe, such as Blåhaj Zone

When you're in a making shit up competition and your opponent is a liberal doggirl-sweat I will forgive them this time for PPBing other libs though catgirl-happy

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Right below one of those comments is a post showing what the person was actually banned for: being a debate pervert defending carnism on the vegan sub.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 54 points 2 days ago

As these instances have lots of tankies, they tend to have toxic communities. Their users also tend to hate trans people for some reason, and sometines try to harass people because of it, which is a big no-no to instances that want their trans users to feel safe, such as Blåhaj Zone.

I know there are trans users here with legitimate concerns over transmisogyny on hexbear but to say we hate trans people is pretty fucking funny

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago

isn't hexbear more lgbtq than not?

[-] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Almost all queer spaces still have a problem with transmisogyny, and yes that includes entirely trans spaces. And hexbear absolutely isn't what i would call a queer space to begin with, the site just has a lot of trans users. It still seems safer to me than the rest of the lemmyverse, and it is definitely safer for trans women than blahaj zone, but let's not get too enthusiastic here.

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 30 points 2 days ago

There was a 100 comment thread from a few years back where the average Hexbear user demonstrated they don't understand straight dating trends. It's a bit of an understatement.

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago

hey, some of us are just cishet(ish) white boys who have been in 15 year relationships!

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

Tell Mrs. Mindfury I said hello.

[-] ryepunk@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

There is literally a dozen of us!

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

i think a plurality are cis/het but majority are not? I forget the demographic survey

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 days ago

Is PPB the greatest weapon ever created?

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

There was another, stronger visual weapon under development, but hexabear was wise enough to discontinue the program dprk-soldier

[-] huf@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

wise enough? we're making the sam mistake as iran!

[-] jack@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago

codec-snake "Pig poop... balls?"

[-] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago

Hexbear (I think)

No investigation, no right to speak.

[-] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago

Your honor: to demonstrate the plaintiff's history of habitual harassment, I present this image of a pig pooping on its own balls the police found on her person.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago

Cope and seethe PIGPOOPBALLS

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

I don't get the graph. I'm sure we have more instances defeded than just .world. Aren't we one of few instances with an allow list for federation rather than a block list?