Ok but like, this is basically how it is already. Then look at Illinois, there's an entire extra license you need to get to even buy or own a gun or ammo
Tell me you've never actually bought a gun without telling me you've never bought a gun.
This ALL DAY. Even the states with the loosest laws have about that many conditions.
This is not a great analogy, blue states do sometimes pass legislation that rhymes with these types of identity-based threats to gun rights. It is sometimes prohibitively difficult to get a CHL in certain states when your chosen name doesn't match your legal name. A few years ago Oregon almost passed an act by citizen referendum that would have had police precincts be responsible for verifying that identities matched licenses, with desk cops screening people's psych histories ("Uh, their license says Samuel, male but the document says Samantha, female? Oh and what's this, they're on several medications including a mood stabilizer? Denied.'). I'm glad that OP's poster isn't pitching their hypothetical analogy as a positive, but I want to be clear for the people playing team sports with their politics that identity-based rights abuses are all bad.
But yes, that Oregon referendum did get modified to remove the potentially abusive parts. And yes, it was because Republicans and libertarian types semi-successfully challenged it in court.
We need to stop pushing the narrative that guns are only for Republicans. The second amendment is for everyone, and everyone should be fighting to protect it.
As a Democrat and a gun owner/lover I fully agree.
I am always perplexed at how many of my fellow Dems and Progressives will tout the issues with big gov or totalitarian govs and then also think that there should be sweeping restrictions on guns.
Minority communities LOVE guns too.
While I agree, you might be missing the value here. This poster is exceptionally good agitprop to dunk on a short sighted chud uncle or father. Possibly strong enough to make them think for at least a few seconds about their stupid and dangerous opinions.
Fair enough, though going after the 2nd isn't going to help us find common ground and that's what we need if we're ever going to unite and fight the real enemy. It's a huge wedge issue and part of the reason some people's entire political thought process is "own the libs".
I would contend guns are the perfect unifier for left and right people groups. I don't know anyone that doesn't stand in agreement that our governing body needs to be well aware that the people are armed against them.
And we the people need to know we are unified to prevent a governing body from splitting the room and taking advantage of us.
I don't live in the states, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable if no-one could just buy a gun. Republicans nor democrats. The US hasn't exactly shown that the second amendment has bigger upsides than the HUMONGOUS downsides.
I feel less safe in countries where I am not allow the ability to defend myself.
I get that you feel that way emotionally, but statistically it's nonsense. Your chances of being shot in the US are 22 times higher than in the EU.
What parts of the US? And are guns the only concern? How about the right coded stabbings? Hit by a car where cars aren't supposed to be? Assaulted by a drunk? Assaulted by an immigrant? Assaulted by a local? Considerably higher in the EU.
You avoided some big logical gaps to make your statement.
The reality is more like global leading countries are safer than others. You are just focused factoid that ignores a whole lot of others things.
You can't "just buy a gun". Most states require permits, and the feds require a background check..
I don't think people should ever give up a right. But let's say the second amendment doesn't make sense anymore. The constitution contains detailed instructions on how to change it. Liberals, though, advocate for ignoring or reinterpreting it. That's dangerous. If we let the government do that to one right, what's to stop them from doing that to all of them? Especially if we can't shoot them for it.
Those are not currently requisites for owning a gun or rifle in the US ?
Nope. Because of loopholes like private sales, someone can privately purchase a firearm from another person with basically nothing more than a look in the eye, a firm handshake and an exchange of money.
To purchase from a gun store there are rules and regulations that apply, and a very simple background check but really it doesn't take much, and with enough money most processes can be "sped up"
There are so many conditions on private sale that this answer is essentially incorrect. The vast majority of Americans live in a state that either requires that private sales go through an FFL (The federal firearm dealer license) or has other background check requirements with failure penalties on the seller severe enough that you'd want to protect yourself by going through an FFL anyway. And private sale across state lines is federally illegal, eg someone in Missouri can't do a private sale to someone from Oregon. And you cannot "speed up" a federal background check with money, the check is not run by the FFL themselves, they're just a trustworthy party that submits your paperwork to the feds. The wait time is entirely dependent on federal backlog and one's law enforcement records.
Law firm site with a list of private sale laws per state: https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html
I have an anecdote, albeit a little old. Circa 2010 I was living in the US (WI). Traded an old bar fridge I didn't need to a friend for a 30-06 rifle. It was the first firearm I owned while living there. I then went to my local police and asked if there was any kind of registration process I should go through and they said nope, we don't care. Not saying you're wrong, just one experience I had.
When I bought a shotgun from a store after that I did have to wait 3 days, I presumed at the time because I wasn't a citizen.
Your anecdote checks out, Wisconsinites are among the minority of Americans with no additional private sale requirements.
Your 3 day background check wait probably wasn't all because you're a non-citizen, that's a fairly typical wait time. Mine have all been less than 48 hours though, presumably cause on paper I'm a god damned boy scout.
Also, not even a part of that act, but just buy virtue of an executive order, all states must register all gun owners and share that registry to a central federal body who will use knowingly outdated and massively incorrect data (and probably politically motivated bullshit as well) to automatically remove people from the registration without notification and make exercising gun ownership a felony if you're not on that registry. And any state that doesn't submit to this will have all of their citizen's ability to use federal services curtailed, and likely more punishments later like restricting federal dollars they are owed.
I have a problem with the last two conditions specifically. I should not lose my rights because someone else fucked up.
As a disclaimer - I'm a liberal (well, actually registered independent, because I feel the dems are too conservative on many things) and don't currently own a gun currently, but I believe 2nd amendment rights are for all Americans. It's a core tenet of our constitution.
That’s the whole point. To disenfranchise you. Thats why they are juxtaposing it to guns. Because they know they’d never agree to it.
Oh, gotcha. I had a total brain fart reading this, didn't realize it was in relation to the voting act. I hate everything about that too. Voting is a right and a responsibility. It's not a limited privilege to be taken away because some dickhead thinks we're a "naughty baby" or whatever.
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