Context: Admiral Patrick replied and included this gem:
And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit because I took his toy away from him.
"Not one person complained about my explicitly obfuscated blacklists! Damn internet Karens making a big deal!"
Oh that's a top tier temper tantrum trying to justify themselves. They got caught and they're real mad about it.
Genius thought nobody would ever read the source code...
Making a blacklist for your frontend is one thing.
Not telling users about it is an entirely different, more fucked up thing.
Purposefully disguising block as technical difficulties instead of deliberate blocks is yet another level of different and more fucked up.
A blacklist that users are informed of and therefore (presumably) consent to when using the software, I could understand. I still don't entirely agree with it, but I understand.
But each of the additional levels of fucked-up-ness turn it from understandable to despicable. Absolutely fuck that dev in every which way.
lmfao, that (linked) post. Read four words and almost fell backwards off my chair due to the sheer concentrated dipshittery, it's like taking a firehose to the face.
Damn, Admiral Patrick makes so much sense now...
I really appreciate the statement. I don't agree with the action and think they are stupid and dangerous for the Threadiverse, as a frontend shouldn't decide what the user sees, the instance administration is the one to decide. If an instance want to go beehaw, to build a peaceful place and attract Normie's, that is great. But it's not for a frontend developer to decide. If the block list and block policy would have been communicated very prominent for everybody to check out, fine. But this is just stupid.
And by the way, I wholeheartedly agree with a lot of OPs opinions. The Threadiverse is toxic on many occasions. Instances like Lemmy.ml and dbzero are problematic and probably partly responsible for the Threadiverse not to grow. But again, it's the instance administration who should decide what the user to see. It is just not understandable for the user to have multiple levels of administrators.
You've got it backwards. Its the heavy handed administrative approach which stalled out growth in the fediverse. Not users you find personally annoying.
So what's your solution? Because we can't just have less moderation and administration without something to replace it. If you want to move it to the frontend, then at least make it opt in and tell people (except spam)
Like in the bluesky model (atproto) you can pick and choose between appview, clients, moderation lists, etc. You can even bypass your current appview (frontend server) to fetch directly from a user's host or from another index (appview or relay)
You're also ignoring that there are many different types of users, and that lurkers drastically outnumber active posters. You lose a few active users from strict moderation, and you lose masses of lurkers from obnoxious users flooding every thread. And you get new active users from lurkers.
So what’s your solution?
Block the users, communities, and instances that cause problems for you. Continue on with your life and enjoy things. Maybe even touch some grass from time to time.
Somebody fill me in on the drama here? db0 has pissed me off when he decided certain political opinions where more important than free speech.
From another user:
Big frontend called Tessarect did a sneaky.
They made a hidden shadow-ban list of instances, users, and phrases, keeping it secret from users and admins by not including it in the open source code and instead loading it at runtime, and added in there all non-centrist (instances, users, and phrases) they could think of. They also lied about it, by claiming it to be a technical issue, when any user looked for the banned instances from the front-end, instead of calling it what it is, a targeted exclusion.
Essentially, hidden censorship, and sliminess.
Its a kind of administrative abuse of power that has been slowly destroying the fediverse from the inside for a very long time. And it's not unique to the fediverse. But it's unique within the fediverse, in that the fediverse is a community built specifically to go against this kind of abuse of power.
We've been having a laugh about it but it's actually such a senseless abuse of trust and power, it's challenging to imagine them being anything less than a paraiah for all of time for doing this. Its implementation was quite clever and very insipid, because the snuck the ban list in in such a way you couldn't review it or even know of its existence.
the snuck the ban list in in such a way you couldn’t review it or even know of its existence.
*In such a way that it made it slightly harder to review it or know of its existence.
Any thorough look at the source code would notice it loading that list at runtime. And also notice it getting called and referred to in other parts of the code when it checks whether or not to block something. And that's not hypothetical, of course -- we're only talking about it because somebody did check, and it was found.
Read the context and if anything, it made me want to use the app. Can't find it though, links are all dead.
Oh, you're one of those "Asetru"ans...
Memes about the Fediverse.
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