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[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago

The past had a LOT of smiths.

[-] FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I reckon the high prevalance of the Smith surname isn't really down to a highly smith-based economy, but because it was a quite respectable profession for both social classes - high paid, possibly self employed, talented/educated - but also useful strong and dependable. So if you have to choose between different surnames you might therefore go:

  • "ah my parent was a smith so i can be a smith too"
  • "my parent chose to use their smith parent's surname so i will choose it too because it gets respect"

Or, maybe smiths always needed a lot of helpers and instead of taking the surname "Prentice/Prentiss" they would just go with Smith, as it's neater.

Maybe those with some experience working a forge or shaping metal had more liberty to move to different towns for work; In a new town, locals who'd lived there their whole life wouldn't need an identifying surname (assuming this is pre-surname consolidation in Britain) but the Smiths would have that as a tradename, thus advertising their services.

Presumably also, every town needed at least one local tinkerer or metalworker - there are/were like 10,000s of distinct villages all over England. So if we presume that tradespeople always have surnames of their trade and non-tradespeople (like farm labourers) don't usually feel a need to, The Smiths already have a greater share of the surnamed population in the census.

Lastly, I'm guessing the smiths had a somewhat better quality of life in relation to disease and poverty. Possibly the hot forges kill off harmful bacteria and they had "middle class" income and no vulnerability to random agriculture failure, like farmers did.


One reason why I don't think it's because "the king ordered loads and loads of people to become smiths during one particular war and we were left with an overabundance of Smiths" is because The high prevelance of the "Smith" surname is also observed in Germany, Spain, Poland and elsewhere. As Schmidt, Herrero and Kowalski, respectively. The more you know!

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago

Or maybe it was the sexiest profession back then.

[-] xkbx@startrek.website 54 points 2 days ago

It’s because most anvils were tuned to G. It was considered the original root scale step because anvils often worked best when tuned to G. But back in those days, it was called Sol (Solfège.) In french, Sol means ground, which is at the bottom. Ergo, every hammer driven by the smith was really just a sort of mating call that sent all the bottoms running to the smith’s doorstep. This is where the expression “she built like an anvil” comes from

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Only the sexy professions reproduced

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[-] Vlhvhkctjxrhxv@ani.social 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Metalsmith, Blacksmith, Gunsmith, Goldsmith, Silversmith, Locksmith, Coppersmith, Tinsmith, Wordsmith, Songsmith

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

...we didn't start the fire ♫♫

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

“Hey, kids! It’s time for the PokeRap!”

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[-] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 19 points 2 days ago

Smiths and millers were common enough professions that basically every village had one but rare enough to be useful as a description. John the farmer would have been way too vague, leading to names that come from physical appearance, place of origin or relatives‘ given names.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago

John the farmer would have been way too vague

"De boer", or "the farmer" is the 10th most common surname in the Netherlands. Top three are "The young", "son of Jan" and "The Frisian".

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Smiths were generally wealthier so they had a better diet and what amounted to medical care, and they were rarely put in combat because they were needed to make weapons. So more of them survived.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

[smiths] were rarely put in combat because they were needed to make weapons. So more of them survived.

That's how it works for my dwarves, too.

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[-] StillAlive@piefed.world 9 points 2 days ago

Smith be smithing tho

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 57 points 2 days ago

“Son, you come from a long line of Dontanswers. Now do your ancestors an honorable turn and impose the most annoying phone conversation in history on this near-stranger.”

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[-] farmgineer@nord.pub 21 points 2 days ago

Japanese is more like 'bob from the long field', 'steve from the middle of the village', etc. and are often place references (certain classes had more rights before people had the right to surnames, so a bit different that far back).

[-] paranoia@feddit.dk 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are a lot of surnames like that in English. Westfield, Norwood, Whitmore, Blackwell, etc.

In Danish you get some very precise locations of farms relative to villages and see names like Nordestgaard (North East Farm), Højgaard (high farm, i.e., on a hill), Bjerregaard (mountain farm)

[-] farmgineer@nord.pub 4 points 2 days ago

Yep, very true. I couldn't think of any examples when writing, but I often mention that when people talk about how cool Japanese names are "because they have (characters that have) meaning". We have those in English, too!

[-] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 27 points 2 days ago

I do this, too, and my best friend is in my phone by just his last name (the name he goes by), so when I added his wife to my phone when they got married, I put her in as "Name Hislastname," in that same way of association, like you would add someone as "bill plumber," or whatever. And I realized, wait, is this how married couples sharing a name started? Lol

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[-] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago

Kenny can fuck off and get a job.

Landlord isn't a job.

[-] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago

You forgot to add the location. John Philadelphia Carpenter.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago
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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

Lots of Dutch last names are ridiculous, allegedly in defiance of foreign empires forcing the people to adopt them for registration purposes.

[-] Egonallanon@feddit.uk 23 points 2 days ago

Eddie cocaine, mike shit weed.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Ah, you must be talking about Eddie White and Mike Greene.

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[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I'm a school bus driver. Our director of transportation is in my phone as "Patti Busboss". I genuinely have no idea what her real last name is.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Before weed was legal my dealer’s name was John Budd.

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[-] foggianism@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Don't know, Electrić sounds kinda Balkan to me.

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[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago
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[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Mr. Burns was not an accident on the simpsons.

[-] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

Tons of John Work in mine. Definitely not as cool as John Wick.

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[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Matamoros is the one I don't like thinking about.

[-] Saapas@piefed.zip 11 points 2 days ago
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