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[-] Rom@hexbear.net 74 points 3 weeks ago

Did someone have their monopoly undercut by competition? did-someone

[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 69 points 3 weeks ago

Everyone hates buying good fruit for cheaper, everyone knows that.

also in the tweet the dude was crying about chinese imperialism on japan and used the Yuan dynasty as an example lol

[-] miz@hexbear.net 62 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

these same China Bad posters will laud Henry Wickham with no sense of contradiction, because it's really about western chauvinism and the racial hierarchy

It was the greatest act of biopiracy of the 19th century, and maybe in history. In 1876, Henry Wickham emerged from the Amazon jungle with 70,000 stolen rubber seeds. Under absolute secrecy, he tucked the precious cargo in the hold of a steamship and sailed for England.

https://en.natopedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wickham_(explorer)

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago

And also smuggling of tea saplings and silkworms from China.

[-] SlacksMcTavish@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 weeks ago

Coffee out of Arabia.

[-] ComRed@hexbear.net 59 points 3 weeks ago

Nothing makes capitalists seethe more than have their special little thing be available to everyone.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 weeks ago

Noooo stop making diamond printing factories, they're destroying my blood diamond monopoly!!!

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

You ever think about how commerce on the Internet relies on a constant input of vigilance to make sure that information doesn't propagate? Every class, SaaS product, and video (game) need only be purchased once to be enshrined forever in a web of propagating interconnectivity.

Information wants to be made available. Special little things are clamouring for entropy. Food wants to find a mouth. It's only a capitalist that wants to be in the way

[-] oliveoil@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago

The premise behind the promise of capitalism is that competition reduces prices and improves quality for consumers.

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[-] asdasd201@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 3 weeks ago

Oh no! Filthy peasants can access to luxury goods that they don't deserve and are meant to be only accessible for bougies who has the right to buy them!

[-] RomCom1989@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 3 weeks ago

Aw sweet we're doing caviar again

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago

The red dragon C, the horse in the Year of the Horse. The "tiny" label on the back twice the size of the front brand. That has a clearly Chinese town and mentions China at least twice.

99.9999% of Americans don't know what Muscat grapes are or where they came from. They see big juicy fruit and affordable price.

Hang on...why is the importer address blanked out? Don't want to rat out the capitalist importer exploiting Chinese produce? But this was an outrage post! Don't you want to put the crapitalist competitor on blast?

powercry-2 No!! Republic of Samsung you too?! It isn't just the commies?

https://www.melissas.com/products/shine-muscat-grapes

What also is this? sore-loser

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_Muscat

NIFTS registered Shine Muscat as a plant variety domestically in Japan in 2006, but its international protection lapsed because the variety was not registered for global protection within the six-year UPOV deadline.

By 2012, the variety was effectively treated as unprotected outside Japan, allowing growers in countries such as China and South Korea to propagate it legally without paying royalties. 

[-] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago
[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

Off topic: why is weed the only plant that uses "strain" like microbes instead of "cultivar"?

[-] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

Probably because weed growing developed independently from other agricultural industries for several decades, the term strain was coined when it still was illegalized everywhere.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

To sound more sciency/marketing because in plants the more normal term is "line". Tho strain and line are usually interchangeable.

In plants where the main propagation method at the production-scale is artificial cloning of highly-heterozigous specific individuals, for example forestry, flowers and cannabis, to describe different germplasms you use "line" or "strain", instead of "cultivars" which are germplasms propagated via its normal reproduction method while maintaining its genetic qualities like soybeans and wheat.

Cultivar is also mostly used in species where the breeding is not very high tuned and ultra refined instead of the term "variety". But both terms have actually legal definitions when talking about vegetal Intelectual Property stuff.

[Soybeans and wheat are naturally autogamous and in result high/complete homozigous so its normal reproduction is basically cloning but effortlessly.

In contrast maize is naturally alogamous and have inbreeding depression so you need to put effort to make it highly homozigous to create a genetically stable line which are only useful in breeding/hybrid-lines-production and arent actually used at the harvest-production scale]

BUTT I've never seen people in forestry talk about strains because they use the term "line" instead (a usual term in plants and animals) and in pines and eucaliptus you don't need sciency jargon for marketing purposes.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

I nominate you as Hexbear's first Minister of Agriculture after power is seized

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'd be happy with an ok-payed technician job thank you

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

I won't consider there to be another cultivar of cannabis until people start to get really wild shapes and/or edible features the way we did brassicas. CAN YOU IMAGINE

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

Game show called "Is it ~~cake~~ Brassica?" original idea pls no steal

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'd watch it

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

99.9999% of Americans don't know what Muscat grapes are or where they came from.

Muscat grapes are just a variety of grapes that are grown in many places around the world. They are quite sweet which makes them good for eating. They are also used to make Mucat dessert wine and Asti de Moscato.

[-] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago

Genuinely fuck the Japanese, hate that country like no other.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'll allow it, as long as the zionist entity is not considered a country

[-] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago

First as silkworms; second as a Shine Muscat

[-] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Intellectual property is bullshit in general, but intellectual property of LIVING ORGANISMS is just an entirely other level of fucked up.

Do the Japanese pay a tax to Kazakhstan for producing apples, which were domesticated in the Kazakh regions? Or kiwis which were domesticated in China? Onions to Mesopotamia? Fuck them

[-] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I think generally speaking it's good to have a short period of protection for new innovations, whether it's a new kind of engine or a new kind of fruit, to encourage research and development with the promise of exclusivity for some period of time. Like, within a Capitalist market system, I don't think patents are a bad thing

[-] miz@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

sure, within a capitalist market system. but isn't it clearly better to just directly publicly fund research and development instead of trying to create some sort of jackpot market incentive which duplicates effort and silos information

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

of course.

but if conglomerates exist i need protection from the conglomerate

[-] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Intellectual property only encourages research and development in profitable sectors. I don't see why we have to wait and see if markets will research something if deemed profitable enough, when we could democratically decide what research gets funded, and fund it through public institutions. Most research already takes place in public institutions, even in capitalism, only the final step is done by companies which then patent the final step once 99% of the work is done, and profit immensely from it. Also, the researchers themselves don't even get the IP, it goes to the company they work for.

It's so untenable to me.

Exactly. Reminder that there was a doctor that wanted to develop a new autoclad that cleaned prions off surgical tools but had to abandon it because he couldn't prove it would be profitable to do so. Fuck capital.

[-] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

Reminds me of the unbreakable East German glasses that they developed, ultra resistant thin glasses that could be dropped from table height onto a stone floor and wouldn't break 90% of the time. The inventors were puzzled when they tried to export the glasses and found out that no western distributor wanted to sell glasses which wouldn't break periodically

[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

Within the belly of the beast, a little digestive acid is not such a bad thing.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

Check the small print? It clearly says product of China. It's not like those products that say stupid stuff like "Designed in USA" then hide "Made in China" somewhere on the back.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

china perfidiously trying to hide the point of origin by not designing the packaging like this:

WARNING CCP CHINESE COMMUNIST PRODUCT DANGER

WARNING CCP CHINESE COMMUNIST PRODUCT DANGER

WARNING CCP CHINESE COMMUNIST PRODUCT DANGER

WARNING CCP CHINESE COMMUNIST PRODUCT DANGER

WARNING CCP CHINESE COMMUNIST PRODUCT DANGER

WARNING CCP CHINESE COMMUNIST PRODUCT DANGER^[fake grapes]

[-] SlacksMcTavish@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 weeks ago

More people eating fruit is bad, if some people arent getting rich off a berry.

Proprietary plants is some proper dystopian shit.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago

Communists stay winningsoviet-chad

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago
[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago

Europe already went through this sort of relationship with the US. Its gotta be from the Shine region of Japan or else its just large muscats.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The farmers should blame their Government for not providing alternative employment. If the oranges and grapes are strategically/culturally important, the Gov can again buy it a floor price and sell for cheap. Either way, farmers will lose out on some of the rents, but hey, everyone else benefits from cheaper fruit from abroad in this scenario.

Btw, the West has done this with their ag sector to the third world. Displacing exports of global south with their own which have greater productivity (lower price) and subsidized on top. Except, global south countries have little policy space to counter the impact on local output and employment thanks to IMF/self-imposed neoliberal rules.

[-] microfiche@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Other than the pollution involved in transporting Chinese grapes outside of China idgaf. Common W.

xigma-male

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm gonna be real, I actually don't like Shine Muscat grapes. The flavor is kind of disappointing and the only thing going for them is that you see them and go "wow they're real big!"

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

You mean you don't like "what if HFCS was a fruit" as a flavor?

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

I was spoiled by cotton candy grapes which just taste better and noticeably sweeter despite being roughly the same on the Brix scale of sweetness.

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

porky-scared-flipped but it's my status symbol!

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

don't really care, but asian groceries used to be cheap and had luxury options that white stores didn't have

now they're overpriced and taste the same as what the honkies are eating. I think asians are white now

[-] Yuritopiaposadism@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

overpriced and taste the same as what the honkies are eating

I think asians are white now

rage-cry

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