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For those interested on the question of age verification and GNU/Linux: be aware that Systemd v261-rc1 was recently released. It now implements an optional birth date field in the JSON user database (see second item under "Other changes").

The implementation of this field was prompted by age-verification or -attestation laws.

(Age-verification status of Open Source Operating Systems.)

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[-] excel@lemming.megumin.org 20 points 6 hours ago

Yes, right next to the fields for your full name and address, all of which are optional. It’s a total nothingburger.

[-] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 hours ago

Yeah just because they build cages for kids in the desert near the border doesn't mean anything's going to happen! It's just optional infrastructure in case you want to put your kids in a cage. It's totally voluntary.

[-] amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

There are genuinely useful use cases for it, and unlike what you suggest it is completely harmless.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago

Could someone explain to me why numerous Linux development groups are jumping on board with this bullshit? This is I think the third such post I've read that a distro or however you call it, is integrating the age check. Since when does the Linux community get on board with Big Brother????

[-] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 hours ago

A surprising amount of people in the open source community lean alt-right including the lead dev of systemd, some of FUTO, and others like hyprland, etc. Others like the actual dev that committed the age field code to systemd state they are apolitical but in reality are actually enabling those that want to do harm.

[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 minutes ago

There's a breed of incel who benefits from power tripping in community projects. Think reddit mods.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago

Because it's a legal requirement in some areas now.

[-] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 hours ago

But who is checking? Last I read, these laws were created in a few states as a preventative measure against potential Federal laws that could push these issues even further. I haven't heard of any enforcement plans to date or anything about how it should report, just "add age verification to operating systems."

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 hours ago

It's not up to the systemd team to decide for you what your risk tolerance is. They're just providing a means to be compliant should you want/need it.

[-] lambipapp@lemmy.world 67 points 15 hours ago
[-] shweddy@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago
[-] M33@piefed.world 8 points 14 hours ago
[-] M33@piefed.world 21 points 14 hours ago

It’s sad because at some point, when mainstream browsers will actually rely on systemd for that, website will block you.

Given enough time and ressources, that age control will hit hard like DRM.

[-] qaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's a field in the users database on your own device. You can change it yourself. If something stupid like that would happen you could bypass it entirely by just setting the field to something else.

[-] M33@piefed.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It is not early implementations I fear.

[-] racoon@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Why the fuzz? If the website blocks you, just upload your government issued ID to regain access and protect your privacy and anonymity online

[-] nocteb@feddit.org 4 points 11 hours ago

And then people will find another way to do what they want. Similar as they did with the internet as it started. It was not always a commercial cesspool, it started as a very nerdy space and replaced TV as a primary source of information. We can do it again. History does not show a pattern of people submitting, but a history of revolution.

[-] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

The masses submit; the vast majority submits. When they start to bind it at the hardware level - when eventually a government issued ID becomes required to literally enable hardware to work, then we are all screwed. You can always make your own software but not so much make your own CPU.

Then when they need to deal with the older tech aftermarket so they pass laws prohibiting older tech, it's all fucked.

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[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago
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[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 10 points 13 hours ago

This is the end. Everyone switch to FreeBSD.

[-] racoon@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago

It is the year of FreeBSD on both the desktop and the server

[-] jxk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

Not until Netcraft confirms it

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago

LMAO, good one!

[-] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago

Is the default value set to "True"?

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 7 hours ago

Why would an optional field have a default value? Shouldn't it just be unset?

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago

For... a date field?

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 6 points 11 hours ago

Possibly 0 (zero) which would default to January 1, 1970.

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