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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by Dort_Owl@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

As capitalism gets more and more mask off brutal and it becomes harder and harder to ignore that the democracy people thought they had is at best very limited and easily revoked, the paradigm shifts more and more to a sort of internalised existential self reduction. A very natural response to life under capitalism, after all, life under capitalism has very little meaning for the average proletariat so why wouldn't people come to the conclusion that life is meaningless? I see a very tired, nihilist society.

It's like watching someone in an abusive relationship. People have been conditioned by their abuser into a state of submission via exsaution and erosion of their identity, their agency and their self-confidence. They want to escape, but are controlled by their abuser via financial, emotional and even the threat of physical abuse. This works well for the ruling class, as such victims are understandably very hard to organize. There is an attitude of "I don't matter and nothing I do matters, how would organizing change anything. It's unrealistic, egocentric even, to expect better." That we have to contend with and keep in mind when we try to mobilize people living in these conditions. I've struggled with such thoughts my entire life, and it's very strange to see such a thing slowly become so normalized.

Anyway, don't ever let the ghouls make you feel like you don't matter. The workers of the world deserve better than this

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[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 42 points 2 weeks ago

It's like watching someone in an abusive relationship.

I've noticed this a lot too. Capitalism is like an abusive relationship on a society wide scale, using methods of control like "I don't want to make them mad" or "This is the best I could ever hope for, I should try and be grateful" not to mention love bombing, with showering people with endless slop and garbage to distract people.

[-] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hustle grind culture stinks of this too. A lot of 'disappointed parent' speak to trigger people, followed by a lot of self improvement advice that boils down to 'Always blame yourself. You are weak. You aren't trying hard enough.'

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, getting people to internalise systemic issues and discourage them from examining whether things are actually good for them or not.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn't help seeing kiddos half my age with 8-digit bank accounts. I know "comparison is the thief of joy". It still stings.

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago


so-true so true based winston communism is also not democratic

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago

One of the things that clicked in my head the other day was with this “look maxing” business. It’s like it’s some sign of how far the kids have given up that they think their value can only be maximized based on physical appearance. Then there’s the gambling. These are like the pathways that they think they can manage. These are the tiny rivulets where they think their boat will be tiny enough that they’ll be the captain of it. They’ve settled for some really small dreams here.

It’s utterly hopeless and that weirdly gives me hope because this can’t continue, it’s gonna break, you can’t eat the youth like this and not break something so deep that the slow simmering infection is fatal.

Another vibe I’m feeling is that a lot of people are experiencing what I must call a spiritual anguish. The last thing colonized by late capitalism is the self, the soul, we are the last frontier being exploited and this anguish is the natural reaction as it envelops us. This is just a fever, a symptom, of a deeper thing going on in our souls, as even our human ability to adapt is being outpaced by our consequences. That’s causing an unbalancing of a scale that has very rarely or never tipped against us and I think we can feel that.

[-] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago
[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago

Now I’m really ruminating on it and the abusive relationship angle you talked about and if we combine them we can see how, for example with this gambling thing, it’s totally the behavior of a person who is hoping they aren’t a victim. They can’t be a winner, not a real winner, the house is the real winner and they know that but they think they can manage to not be the 99 suckers that get fleeced so the house can kick out one jackpot. They’d rather roll dice on those odds. It shows how narrow they think the future is. The closing of the horizon is the thing I’m fixated these days, Mark Fischer’s Capitalist Realism talks about this too, maybe that’s what planted the seed but the psychology of the moment we are in is fascinating.

“Well of course he doesn’t let me own a car, but he lets me go to the store to shop.” Closing the horizon is the first step of an abuser. We recognize that sentence for what it is, now, but it was once a sentiment that was common in society when women had less rights. I can’t not see these parallels between how we are twisting ourselves into shapes under capitalism and the way for millennia women twisted themselves into shapes to conform to patriarchy, including the self-rationalizing of the victimhood.

[-] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The slow erasure of boundaries is another thing analogous to what we see in toxic relationships. Breaching of privacy isn't even something the ruling class even bothers to ask consent for anymore and the consumer has stopped even asking for it or considering it a breach of boundaries. Someone installing a tracking app on your device was once considered a form of abuse, something a controlling boyfriend would do. Completely normalized now.

Same goes for no longer owning things (having the right to your personal space and property) people will slowly get used to the idea of nothing belonging to them and their things being taken from them without notice. The abuser owns everything and allows you to have them for a while if you ask permission

All of these things are normalized through threat of ostracism and abandonment, among other things

[-] meatcringe@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Moss@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

I've been working through this in my head recently. I feel such a need to be seen as useful by a society that would have me ground down to nothing for the sake of profit. Even as much as I hate capitalism, I don't want to lose the game of capitalism and not be a good worker drone. Working makes me feel like less of a human.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

carlin-pog You have owners. They OWN you!

[-] Nopeace@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

I've certainly struggled with a sense of sense worth my whole life, never really fitting in anywhere, never really finding another person that understands me, always very susceptible to nihilism and defeatism and isolation. Even being communist/ML its so much easier to just give up and let the world pass you by, after all im just one man what could i possibly change?

I dont like being that way, its of no use and it just further isolates me from literally everyone i know and anyone i could ever meet. I am working, so so very hard, to change how i act. to fight for what i believe. to be a real, whole human for possibly the first time in my life.

I dont know what im doing but im doing something at least; im trying.

The worst part is that while i try to improve i see the few people left in my life stuck in the same mindset (although not as severe as mine was) that while these things are worth fighting for it is ultimately pointless so why try. I can get them to agree, conceptually, that the fight is worth it but, practically, they still would rather rot on their phones (or another such unproductive activity) than try to do something

[-] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

That's a lot of weight to carry on your own, my friend

[-] Nopeace@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

yeah, ngl your response made me tear up a bit Care-Comrade its hard to fight your own nature, especially when capitalism very much wants you to submit, but that shit got me no where, with no one in my life, just working a job i fucking despise. I dont wanna be cattle. i dont wanna be a drone. i dont want to be completely isolated. All we can do is fight to better ourselves and, hopefully, society as a whole

[-] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Big mood. Remember they can only make you feel like a drone. You aren't one. You will never not be human, no matter how hard they try to convince you otherwise.

[-] Nopeace@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you comradeheart-sickle

[-] ClownPrinceofFools@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

Good picture for the post, fulfillment is a very ironic name for the work. I remember working in a fulfillment center a few years back and the owner describing it as fully automated to the media. In reality at all time a headcount above 100 working at conveyors. The worker is nothing but a replaceable tool indistinguishable from the equipment looking from the top down. Having value as a person regularly slipped out of mind, being preoccupied with not being thrown away while metrics are only shown at request or when used as carrot / stick.

[-] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I chose that picture because it gives me that same uncomfortable feeling I get when I see cattle lined up being milked in a factory. The objectification of life. Even the term 'like cattle' made me pause and wonder if I should use it, because we shouldn't even treat cattle as objects, let alone treat people that way

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 9 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck you, I'm valuable cattle. My boss told me so.

[-] nine99@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

yeah its pretty sad seeing some people believe all of this is human nature and that we are genetically wired to be pieces of shit when its all sistemic

[-] tithonis@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Having described the partner who abused me as an "emotional capitalist", this tracks. The idea that you could have something better outside of the system that you exist in right now is dangerous and has to be shut down.

I'd never experienced anything like it in my life until I was neck-deep in it. The way you wind up suffocating your own dreams, your own capacity to imagine something better - that's just capitalist realism. And the abuse I was getting at home happened to mimic the dynamic at my workplace pretty much one-to-one. Shrink yourself down. Your only value is what you can provide, what can be extracted from you. Expecting anything is dangerous. Any day, any time, I might be getting written up for something banal that happened months ago. Everything you do is surveilled, fuel for discipline. There really was no escape. I forgot how to engage with people without being prepared to get hurt in the process.

Since I got out I've been relearning how to interact with people in a healthy way. I keep noticing ways I've internalized that garbage that I didn't even consider so long as I was in it. That this same dynamic has been normalized at a societal level has some really unsettling ramifications for What Is To Be Done.

There's so much to say about this. Maybe an effortpost sometime.

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