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"Dan Reed says the success of the Michael Jackson biopic is proof 'people don’t care that he was a child molester'"

Not to split hairs but I don't remember Jackson having a corpse disposal ocean trap door or having extensive email chains with people that really make it look like he was eating human flesh

Still fucking disgusting that his estate is acting like this though

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[-] miz@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago

this feels like an attempt to minimize Epstein's crimes

[-] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago

Oh you don’t like Jeffrey Epstein? Then why are you still listening to his music?

[-] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

Say what you will about Epstein, but his work with the Beatles was legendary.

[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

I'm watching The Expanse (sci-fi movie) and every time they say "Epstein drive" (what they call warp drives, except it's not warp speed) I wonder if the two guys who make up the pseudonym James S. A. Corey are in the Epstein Files... or if S. A. stands for what I think it does. (Expanse/Corey fans about to blow up on me, but you gotta admit naming your warp drive after Jeffrey Epstein is cringey and edgelord as fuck!)

Amazing show but the name of the engines everyone uses has literally aged like milk. Also, the show is not that old.

[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

I mean the first Expanse book was published in 2011 well before Epstein was any kind of household name, I seriously doubt it was named after him, its a pretty old Jewish surname

[-] boboblaw@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

I'm still not quite sure if this is a bit, but the name is not uncommon. Specifically, there have been many notable figures with that surname in the fields of physics and mathematics.

[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

Still, it's aged like milk. I'm currently reading Hyperion by Dan Simmons (1989) and the drives in that book are called Hawking Drives. Way cooler — though, I think there were also some allegations against Stephen Hawking.

Hitler was an artist, but it's not what he's remembered for. (I'll never forget the Justified episode about the Jewish art collector who collected Hitler's art. I won't spoil the ending, but it was very educational and the ending was very fitting.) Now, Hitler has family living in the west. They've since changed their name. The name is tainted and it may always be. I'm not sure it'll be okay for someone to be named Hitler in 500 years. But who knows. I think if a "Hitler" cured cancer, he or she wouldn't attribute it to that name.

[-] boboblaw@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah it's fucked up, just because of the sheer number of scientific discoveries by Epsteins. Then this guy comes along and now the name is only associated with him and his crimes.

Also, I thought of a common one: Epstein-Barr.

[-] KoL_Enjoyer@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

I don't want to make light of the situation, but since you mentioned it, there is a certain dark humour in the fact that the Epstein-Barr virus is transmitted mainly via kissing.

[-] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

You have to learn to separate the art from the artist.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

Sounds like the director is in the files

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I don't like Michael Jackson and I think he was very sus. But the director of Leaving Neverland literally directed a pro-israel doc called One Day In October.

Dan Reed, the filmmaker behind the documentary "One Day in October," documented the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel, portraying it as a planned, traumatic targeting of civilians. He focuses on personal stories of survivors, indicating a view that the attacks destroyed a peaceful ethos and fundamentally altered Israeli security perceptions.

The film has been described as a "disgusting pro-Israel propaganda piece" by some, while others have commended its commitment to documenting the horrors of the event.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the attacks destroyed a peaceful ethos

Peaceful for whom, motherfucker? big-honk

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

Remember all those peaceful wars of aggression they started and all that land they peacefully stole?

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

LMFAO that’s so funny

[-] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Absolutely not. Michael Jackson was disgusting, but he was not part of a systematic operation involving powerful people from around the globe that I know of. I've heard he may have been involved with the Epstein crowd, in which case he's still not the ringleader of it but a participant. He was probably not part of the intelligence blackmail ring portion of the operation? He was a monster, but the scale of his crimes is much smaller. Either way, they're both dead now it's a bit of a pointless comparison anyway.

lol says the Pro Israel guy

[-] Salah@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

The thing with MJ is that the stuff he did is not that far off from what celebrities are known to do without scrutiny. Like Sia made a 12 year old sleep in her bed repeatedly. It’s all horrific, but Epstein is really on another level.

[-] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

My partner has this theory that he was trying to save kids, which I think validates that view.

[-] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago
[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

He Michael, I've heard that theory too but I'm not sold on it

[-] TheWolfOfSouthEnd@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

I raised an eyebrow. I suppose anything’s possible.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

MJ. I've heard this theory being supported by one of the children he brought to Neverland, because apparently they were told they were being taken to Epstein Island and MJ stepped in.

Whether this is a case of a pedophile interfering with another one, or he was actually saving children, jury's out.

[-] homhom9000@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

I only read about the first case in '93 and so much of the kid's Dad was weird so much so the kid emancipated himself. I can see that theory having legs

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