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[-] nomen_dubium@startrek.website 2 points 6 days ago

wby always with the wolves?

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Look you can either have borders or toilets. Pick one.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 257 points 1 week ago

Borders are trees covered in pee.

[-] notabot@piefed.social 76 points 1 week ago

Sigh Unzip. If that's what I've got to do to carve out some space, then so be it!

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago

Welcome to Border Peetrol.

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[-] itsaphoque@moist.catsweat.com 154 points 1 week ago

"Sorry sir, we have to deport you back to your impoverished, war-torn country, because wolves pee on trees".

Very compelling.

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

It's as good an excuse as any ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 109 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The modern notion of nation States, with clearly defined borders, and mechanisms of violence to enforce them, only arose around the 17th century.

Wolves don't build border walls, have customs checkpoints, or leave refugees to drown in the Mediterranean.

This isn't a "science meme", it's a falacious attempt to cloak reactionary rhetoric in the aesthetic garb of scientific rigor.

Might as well show plant tissues with defined cell walls and say "borders are natural".

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[-] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 106 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure their borders aren't made up of countries, taxes, and slavery.

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[-] too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 106 points 1 week ago

I know it's just a shitpost but it's so fucking stupid.

It's comparing a home to a country. Like arguing "If you're so against borders, I'll just come into your house at any time." No, fuckface, there's a difference between personal space and (what should be) public land.

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[-] stray@pawb.social 65 points 1 week ago

They overlap significantly. In addition to what's seen in the image, the wolves' territories will move around due to various conditions. There are no fixed lines that could be likened to states' borders, only vague areas that can be likened to respecting personal space. Compare the wolves' ranges with the white line indicating the national park border also seen in the image, which does not move around based on vibes.

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[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 60 points 1 week ago

Animals are more civilised than Israelis it seems

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 39 points 1 week ago

Not a hard bar to clear.

[-] Capable_Coping@piefed.social 51 points 1 week ago

The top quote is refering to borders as a state construction. Nobody denies the existence of boundaries between things in general

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[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 35 points 1 week ago

Yeah but we're not wolves ๐Ÿ˜„๐Ÿด

[-] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

And yet, we have had countries, kingdoms, territories and empires for thousands of years.

At times all defended by literal walls as to keep people out.

How are people pretending they do not know this?

Just because it happened in the past doesn't mean that it's a good idea. Actually, the appeal to nature "argument" against borders does, IMO, provide evidence that the conclusion (borders are evil and should be dispensed with) holds, but it is not an argument in itself.

IMO a better argument is the reality of the misery and oppression that borders create: they cage humanity and the ecology and thus limit our potential, and they only serve to benefit the local capitalists, and proletarians pay the price in blood and tears for those who try to assert their right to move. And then to this, we append the positive examples from nature as empirical evidence that suggests the conclusion, with the caveat that just because something is natural does not mean it is optimal or good.

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[-] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 34 points 1 week ago

those aren't borders, those are territories arrived at by wolves interacting with each other and deciding to keep the peace. has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states

[-] krisevol@lemmus.org 51 points 1 week ago

You just described a border.

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[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states

You mean the territories arrived at by entities who interact with each other and decide to keep the peace as an abstract representation of those residing within them?

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[-] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I must have totally forgotten that I'm a Wolf. I've always thought that I'm a Human. Crazy. Good to know that now. But I want that Friedrich Merz pisses on all of them trees at the German Border, because thats how the natural way to mark ur territory just works. And everything from nature is always the perfect and correct bahaivor for everyone!

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[-] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 week ago

Yes but humans are not wolfs. Each behave differently.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Humans, seemingly uniquely among animals, reinvent and reimagine our political lives constantly. We see no evidence that chimpanzees have revolutions or that wolves will try a different model of organization or negotiation. What we observe from H. sapiens is just this. From the beginning of history both written and oral, we have been reevaluating and altering the ways in which we live.

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

It really bothers me when people use "fear" and "respect" interchangeably. This borders on that.

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[-] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 week ago

Am I allowed to immigrate across countries if I engage in a match of melee combat with the leader of said country and perform well? Murder optional.

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[-] chirayu_alias@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

I love how people call it natural when anyone but a human does something.

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