wby always with the wolves?
Look you can either have borders or toilets. Pick one.
Borders are trees covered in pee.
Sigh Unzip. If that's what I've got to do to carve out some space, then so be it!
Welcome to Border Peetrol.
"Sorry sir, we have to deport you back to your impoverished, war-torn country, because wolves pee on trees".
Very compelling.
It's as good an excuse as any ๐คทโโ๏ธ
The modern notion of nation States, with clearly defined borders, and mechanisms of violence to enforce them, only arose around the 17th century.
Wolves don't build border walls, have customs checkpoints, or leave refugees to drown in the Mediterranean.
This isn't a "science meme", it's a falacious attempt to cloak reactionary rhetoric in the aesthetic garb of scientific rigor.
Might as well show plant tissues with defined cell walls and say "borders are natural".
Pretty sure their borders aren't made up of countries, taxes, and slavery.
I know it's just a shitpost but it's so fucking stupid.
It's comparing a home to a country. Like arguing "If you're so against borders, I'll just come into your house at any time." No, fuckface, there's a difference between personal space and (what should be) public land.

They overlap significantly. In addition to what's seen in the image, the wolves' territories will move around due to various conditions. There are no fixed lines that could be likened to states' borders, only vague areas that can be likened to respecting personal space. Compare the wolves' ranges with the white line indicating the national park border also seen in the image, which does not move around based on vibes.
Animals are more civilised than Israelis it seems
Not a hard bar to clear.
The top quote is refering to borders as a state construction. Nobody denies the existence of boundaries between things in general
Yeah but we're not wolves ๐๐ด
And yet, we have had countries, kingdoms, territories and empires for thousands of years.
At times all defended by literal walls as to keep people out.
How are people pretending they do not know this?
Just because it happened in the past doesn't mean that it's a good idea. Actually, the appeal to nature "argument" against borders does, IMO, provide evidence that the conclusion (borders are evil and should be dispensed with) holds, but it is not an argument in itself.
IMO a better argument is the reality of the misery and oppression that borders create: they cage humanity and the ecology and thus limit our potential, and they only serve to benefit the local capitalists, and proletarians pay the price in blood and tears for those who try to assert their right to move. And then to this, we append the positive examples from nature as empirical evidence that suggests the conclusion, with the caveat that just because something is natural does not mean it is optimal or good.
those aren't borders, those are territories arrived at by wolves interacting with each other and deciding to keep the peace. has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states
You just described a border.
has nothing to do with formal borders imposed on us by states
You mean the territories arrived at by entities who interact with each other and decide to keep the peace as an abstract representation of those residing within them?

I must have totally forgotten that I'm a Wolf. I've always thought that I'm a Human. Crazy. Good to know that now. But I want that Friedrich Merz pisses on all of them trees at the German Border, because thats how the natural way to mark ur territory just works. And everything from nature is always the perfect and correct bahaivor for everyone!
Yes but humans are not wolfs. Each behave differently.
Humans, seemingly uniquely among animals, reinvent and reimagine our political lives constantly. We see no evidence that chimpanzees have revolutions or that wolves will try a different model of organization or negotiation. What we observe from H. sapiens is just this. From the beginning of history both written and oral, we have been reevaluating and altering the ways in which we live.
It really bothers me when people use "fear" and "respect" interchangeably. This borders on that.
Am I allowed to immigrate across countries if I engage in a match of melee combat with the leader of said country and perform well? Murder optional.
I love how people call it natural when anyone but a human does something.
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