LinkeSocke comments on Borders

Borders (thelemmy.club)

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[–] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (19 children)

I must have totally forgotten that I'm a Wolf. I've always thought that I'm a Human. Crazy. Good to know that now. But I want that Friedrich Merz pisses on all of them trees at the German Border, because thats how the natural way to mark ur territory just works. And everything from nature is always the perfect and correct bahaivor for everyone!

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 23 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

Exactly. Wolves are also one of the species that practice infanticide. Clearly there is no point in being better, and we should just replicate everything we see in nature.

Whenever someone makes an appeal to nature, you know you're in for a treat.

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[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I pissed in my neighbor's garden, got his wife pregnant and then ripped apart his newborn with my bare teeth and now my neighbor just wanders in the communal parking lot. At first I felt like the bad guy but I feel a lot better now, because his wife snarls at him whenever he gets close to the house.

Sometimes life surprises you.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

Human communities have borders and territories though

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Turns out humans like borders too

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[–] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (14 children)

Good to know that Humans are a Hivemind. Until now I acctually disliked borders. But I am a Human, and you say Humans like Borders. Man thanks for the Warning. I will be working on adapting the Hiveminds Opinion.

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago*

"Timberwolf Hivemind" is a damn good band name...

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[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

But we DO form similar social structures to that of wolf packs. The majority of human history has been one of tribadism

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[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Pretty sure you mean tribalism.

Tribadism (NSFW) is something different.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

To be fair the majority of human history has involved tribadism

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[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

True, but it's not a direct cause for forming packs (though it may correlate), and generally less destructive.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I've definitely formed packs on that basis, but college was a wild time.

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[–] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 3 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

But it stays an Argument purly on Nature. And someone still needs to explain to me why nature automatically means better.

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[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

These are processes that'll just happen organically and those usually have the least upkeep. If something is made artificially it needs to be artificially maintained. I'll be honest, I am personally against borders, I greatly enjoy open borders in the EU but the fact that borders form naturally is a process we'd be aware of. Just like wealth accumulation in capitalism, its a natural conclusion that'd take measures to avoid.

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[–] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago

Our entire world couldn't be more far away from what nature once was. And there are just so many "artificial" things that have proven to be better than nature. What I'm saying is that just saying that something is natural really does mean nothing. I can be both, good or bad. It's not like I'm denying nature. Because you said that I need to be aware of it.

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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Why are some things that some animals do used as a justification for humans to do the same, while other animals doing something else isn't?

For example, Wikipedia says this about the topic:

Territoriality is only shown by a minority of species. More commonly, an individual or a group of animals occupies an area that it habitually uses but does not necessarily defend; this is called its home range. The home ranges of different groups of animals often overlap, and in these overlap areas the groups tend to avoid each other rather than seeking to confront and expel each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal)

It is natural to not have borders, and only a few species do.

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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Also, I'd like to know why one animal doing one thing is used to justify human behaviour as "natural" while another animal doing something else is not. (Or even the same animal doing something else is not.)

There are tons of non-territorial animals, for example.

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[–] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well borders are rather useful and good. Everyone has boundaries with other people, it's even kinda mandatory for mental well-being. Everyone has borders with their home. Those are even legally enforceable.

I'm fairly sure you'd be rather pissed off if i would randomly walk into your home and started harassing you.

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[–] LinkeSocke@feddit.org 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

I'm not the State. You are confusing personal boundaries with state borders. Totally different topics. Always a nice try to place state interests into personal interests of an individual. Oldest trick in the book. That's just like that argument that I need to go die for my country because if I was personally attacked on the street I would also defend myself. These are totally different scenarios. We can live together in big scale while still having private spaces. These things can coexist.

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[–] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org -1 points 4 months ago

I'd say it's the exact same principle, just scaled up.
From personal boundaries and home rules, which are set up by each individual themselves. To HOA or apartment complex equivalents boundaries and rules which are set up by democratic voting(hopefully). To a district or state rules and boundaries to country to unions.

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